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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army if the game

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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well well well good evening

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yeah man how you doing how are you doing

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today is monday march 18th

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2019 77 days into the new year just

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and as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california

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but i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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kg ra the planet i am your host jimmy

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church what is cracking everybody how

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coming off an amazing weekend more on

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but it is monday and we are kicking off

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another amazing week here on paid to

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black and tonight

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we have very special guests with us

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russell targ and lance mangia

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and they're going to discuss their new

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documentary it is called third eye spies

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it's absolutely amazing

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it is available on amazon right now

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and of course itunes uh an incredible

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incredible documentary released by the

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and uh so there you go now we've got the

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links up for third eye spies right there

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jimmychurchradio.com we'll also get it

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up there in twitter

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uh for you to go and check out after the

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show tonight highly recommend this film

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uh tomorrow night riz burke is here now

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riz has a new book out and it is called

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the simulation hypothesis

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are we living in a giant simulation is

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this the matrix resverk one of the

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uh uh educator one of one of the best

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out there period when it comes to

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says everything and it is a great book

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too as well it's called the simulation

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hypothesis that is tomorrow night

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and they also have a new book out now

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giza's industrial complex

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giza's industrial complex about

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uh the pyramid complex uh creating

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for all of egypt

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will be here on wednesday so check that

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lance mangia with third eye spies

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tomorrow night the simulation hypothesis

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ancient egypt with the hertox and then

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i got some crazy breaking news today

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crazy you may not have gotten this

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but here you go

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myspace

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one of the first online social networks

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has apologized to everyone

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after a server migration of their data

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myspace i get that that was a while ago

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but it was still a digital archive

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of all of that material from those

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artists who were using that uh

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that that server set up

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unbelievable it's unbelievable

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unbelievable all right

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the surfer music streaming app is

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available free for download all you have

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that's all you got to do super easy

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super fun all you have to do is download

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it and start listening it's truly that

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simple you don't give up any of your

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private information you're not going to

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get an email from surfer nothing all you

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and it's all there

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happy birthday to today maroon 5 front

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man adam levine is 40. yeah

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that guy that called himself a comedian

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but was seriously not funny well today

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he is 47 and the richest not funny

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history o t d 1931 the chic company

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and your fader fact today

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is there is a seven-year-old boy his

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name is ryan

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who started at the age of three and four

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reviewing toys on youtube today he is

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seven he's been doing it since he was a

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toddler today

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ryan earns 22 million dollars per year

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and that is your fader fact tonight very

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special guest russell targ and lance

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mungia are here to discuss the new

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documentary third eye spies tomorrow

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night resverk the simulation hypothesis

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wednesday night jj and desiree hertock

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giza's industrial complex of course

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hypocrisy

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in los angeles california

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and uh brett larson and choir within

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flew down from sandy or flew down from

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and we were guests of the band and we

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singer peter peter tacron and i want to

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no ego man everything checked at the

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door i couldn't have had

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more fun

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all day long and now joining us right in

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their singer and their front man

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peter tacker and peter are you wearing

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your fade to black shirt right now

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how are you doing jimmy i'm doing great

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peter thank you so much thank you so

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much for uh not only uh you know uh the

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lunches and the dinner and the hanging

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and the coffee and the walks and

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everything that we did all day but it

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it was an amazing show

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it was

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stories here in a second from friday but

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the the reality is you guys are out on

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the road right now on this world tour

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and i think you're doing like 28 shows

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in 30 days do i have that right

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i think it's 32 we we kind of stretched

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that's crazy but it's rock and roll it's

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not the boy scouts right

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no this is for for for those who can do

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more than four push-ups

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night off the one night off that you're

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gonna have in the next 30 days is

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tonight you're in las vegas uh where are

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you guys going to be uh tomorrow night

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we're passing for mesa and

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and we're going up to salt lake city

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so today it's like a travel day so we

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decided to uh just stop off in between

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just hanging in las vegas again

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within a week for me since i went there

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last week to go see robbie williams the

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the ufo singer a lot like yourself

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except he's from the uk

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um this is this is what i find really

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interesting though um you haven't you

286
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haven't toured the states in how many

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years

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uh nine and a half or something like

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that that's that's crazy how have things

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changed uh musically for you in the band

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in in the last nine and a half years and

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has the united states changed

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um yeah i think

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you know in the past you always had to

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um

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tour a lot in america to to

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keep your status or or even climbing up

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you know if you do it every nine years

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it's like almost starting all over again

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every time you come back so

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but so far it's been really good and uh

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people are happy to see it see us that

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we're back and everything so

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i mean it couldn't get better than this

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you know now your your audience

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hypocrisy and your interest in ufos

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and conspiracies and disclosure you have

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a song called disclosure

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yeah end of disclosure you guys uh your

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interest in the subject is is very

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obvious do you think that that trickles

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down into your audience too

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in that

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um are you exposing them to these big

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questions or are they finding you

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because of their interest in this

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um

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that's a good question i have no clue i

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mean

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i i listen to so many stuff you know and

321
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and you know it just goes into my head

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and i make my own story of what i hear

323
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from all

324
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all the researchers and everything and i

325
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kind of uh pan it out to my own story so

326
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i take a little bit from this person and

327
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a little bit from that person and and

328
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yeah you know i

329
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it goes into my head and i mix it up

330
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somehow and i try to get my

331
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story of the things

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coming out

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i mean in 96 i did the

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roswell 47 song it's probably one of the

335
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most famous songs we did

336
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and that was already down in 96 and even

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then it was the the biggest

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uh i think uh the case of a

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ufc ufo case

340
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um at that time and i think it still is

341
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you know that that's never going to go

342
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away i think you know

343
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what really surprised me

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um in that uh

345
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being around you on friday

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and the amount of uh fans and your and

347
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your friends and your bandmates and

348
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everybody knows where your interest is

349
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right everybody knows

350
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you know you're the ufo guy

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and

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when i'm getting introduced to people by

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you

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and they hear my voice they immediately

355
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turn to me and go oh you're you're the

356
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you're the writer you're the radio guy

357
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yeah

358
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you're the ufo guy and which which says

359
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to me that you don't hide this

360
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right there there's no intention

361
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with you at all you are fully out aren't

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you

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that's going to put me in a lot of

364
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trouble i think

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the

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you want to talk do you want to talk

367
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about the new stuff

368
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we can talk a little bit about it um you

369
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know just around the edges okay we'll go

370
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around the edges okay uh can we a little

371
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bit

372
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not fully disclosed

373
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can we talk about the album cover you

374
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know in an outside way

375
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yeah okay okay i'll i'll behave peter

376
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you don't have to worry about that okay

377
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you know this stuff i do i do okay so

378
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concerning the album cover which is and

379
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i love the suspense that we're about to

380
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build

381
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the album cover is going to freak some

382
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people out it's directly

383
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uh

384
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without pulling any punches addresses

385
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the ufo situation directly and and e.t

386
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and and advanced technology so dealing

387
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with that and the title of the album

388
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i'll let you say it if you want to

389
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but this is very very open and honest

390
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and it's not playing around about the

391
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ufo subject

392
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no not at all i mean this is the funny

393
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part you remember last time i was on the

394
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show uh

395
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during that those days i was uh down in

396
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venice and

397
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yeah just kicking it and uh

398
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i started thinking about the the cover

399
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and i had a napkin so i actually drew

400
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the cover and sent it to the to record

401
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,839
company i said i would love to have it

402
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something like this

403
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and

404
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you know we did we were not in a hurry

405
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,240
then you know we

406
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looked around for some artists and stuff

407
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,640
like that and when it started to happen

408
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i i think it really came out the way i

409
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:08,799
wanted it like i explained to you you

410
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,079
know we have some ancient alien feeling

411
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,199
to it you know it tried to pull it from

412
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not from today only or or from this

413
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century you know we try to go back in

414
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the in the past a little bit like what

415
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happened with the maya people for

416
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example you know someone come and

417
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collect them did were their job done for

418
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example you know did they

419
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you know develop us enough to uh let us

420
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be by ourselves and try to figure things

421
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,080
out or

422
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yeah you know what i mean yeah and and

423
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what i find interesting uh peter is that

424
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um although you are very open and the

425
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videos are very very direct end of

426
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disclosure cannot have a more direct

427
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,240
message uh in it and you also did this

428
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:54,799
with pain too as well your other band

429
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:58,320
but this isn't you guys weren't the the

430
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:01,440
first successful rock act

431
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,240
to openly talk about ufos and if you go

432
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back and think about you know the band

433
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,039
yes or styx or

434
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you know uh well

435
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:13,600
other bands in the past that even the

436
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:15,760
carpenters wrote a song about

437
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,799
et's right it's calling all occupants

438
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:20,480
yeah david

439
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,919
david bowie that is the most obvious uh

440
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:25,520
example of this

441
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,559
um what is it about musicians

442
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,120
and et's and contact that is like

443
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,039
different from everything else artists

444
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,840
or painters or sculptors or actors

445
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:37,919
why is it that musicians are okay with

446
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,200
it

447
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,360
i don't know for me is to find something

448
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,320
else than just music 24 7. so it becomes

449
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,520
a hobby to

450
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:48,400
to do research you know you go out on on

451
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,480
youtube look for all kinds of stuff you

452
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:52,320
know people talking about a bunch of

453
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:53,600
different stuff and

454
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,840
in the end of the day you take all these

455
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:57,360
things that all these people been

456
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,480
talking about what they've been

457
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:00,720
researching and what could be true or

458
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,480
what cannot be true and you make your

459
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,360
own decision what you think it is and

460
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,160
that's how it influences me to write

461
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,720
lyrics as well like for example this

462
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,799
this song called chemical horse on the

463
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:14,640
new album that's going to come out

464
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:16,240
that's the premiere nobody knows what

465
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:17,919
any songs is called so this is

466
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,880
definitely a permit for that uh it's

467
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:23,280
really about the pharmaceutical the

468
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,799
industry how they you know make you want

469
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,240
to have more

470
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,520
medication

471
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:31,840
and how they go in and control you

472
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:36,320
i i had the privilege to listen to

473
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:39,440
chemical [\h__\h] and i'm listening to the

474
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,799
words and this is what uh the lyrics and

475
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:44,480
i turned to you

476
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,520
and i said you're going to get in

477
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,640
trouble

478
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:49,440
and the reason why i said that is the

479
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,960
words are crystal clear right there is

480
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:54,720
no question

481
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,440
about what you are saying what are you

482
00:20:02,070 --> 00:19:58,960
suggesting

483
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:02,080
and what this song is about are you are

484
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:05,120
you prepared for that to have uh

485
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,720
big farm is the one thing that

486
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:08,559
everybody's scared of right

487
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,520
yeah

488
00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:11,360
they can come to las vegas right now i'm

489
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here

490
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,679
[Laughter]

491
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,520
trying to find it

492
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,400
are you ready though are you ready

493
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,240
you're never ready for anything you know

494
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,120
uh let's see what happens i'm curious um

495
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,799
you know usually when you make a big

496
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,400
deal out of it then they don't want to

497
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:28,480
touch it you know yeah that's exactly

498
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:31,679
the point you know um what what

499
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,919
what happened in your life peter that

500
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,159
that started this interest

501
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,440
in not only ufology but uh

502
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,039
conspiracies

503
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,600
and and pushing the boundaries what what

504
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,520
initially happened

505
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,960
i mean from the beginning when i was a

506
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,520
kid like in in the mid 70s and stuff

507
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,520
when you're five six years old

508
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,480
uh it was mainly you know uh aliens and

509
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,200
ufos that that was really

510
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,280
a cool thing i remember with my mom and

511
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,960
dad we never really had any money and

512
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,120
stuff so we took the car and we drove we

513
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:05,280
had no destination we could just drive

514
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:06,320
for

515
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,000
brother in the back seat eating ice

516
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,600
cream and we're just going nowhere to go

517
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,919
and actually once we we came to a place

518
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,360
they had a museum

519
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:18,000
this is like in the mid 70s or i i still

520
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,440
remember it and we walked in and they

521
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,960
had a ufo

522
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,440
uh kind of a

523
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,159
museum a very very small one and that

524
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,080
really triggered me because then it was

525
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,080
like more pictures of things and

526
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,000
drawings and stuff that you'd never seen

527
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,080
before and i was like wow

528
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,559
and that really triggered me as well to

529
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:38,400
keep on going with that and of course

530
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,070
really started to bubble in your head

531
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,200
and and the older i got the more

532
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,880
documentaries you could get you could

533
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,440
order vhs tapes with the

534
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:53,760
with stuff from from like

535
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,799
papers in sweden uh like on on mail

536
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,159
order kind of stuff people are sending

537
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,400
so you were kind of trading like with

538
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:02,400
the metal music you were trading tapes

539
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,760
in in the 70s 80s and and so on you know

540
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,880
but here we were doing like

541
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,559
documentaries on tvs that you couldn't

542
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:09,919
get in sweden and stuff like that and

543
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:13,280
that triggered you even more yeah

544
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,159
and

545
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,960
the um we were sitting in a coffee shop

546
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,799
you and i on friday

547
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,760
and the the ba sisters who are probably

548
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,760
listening right now so big shout out to

549
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,559
them

550
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,880
uh they come up to say hello and and

551
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,760
melissa goes oh and i got you a gift

552
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,679
and and i was you know and i was

553
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,600
thinking it's you know her new cd or

554
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,640
it's this and she whips out a little uh

555
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,039
a little alien a little i don't even

556
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,480
know how to describe it

557
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,360
um

558
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,559
but a jelly a alien yeah that that that

559
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,400
lights up when you touch it totally cool

560
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,799
i got some pictures of it um i'll uh

561
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,000
i'll post them but um that's an example

562
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,200
of everybody knows exactly where you are

563
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:56,960
coming from don't they

564
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,840
oh yeah definitely i i have a lot of

565
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,480
aliens at home that i get from fans

566
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:03,760
anything from

567
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:06,880
being two inches high to uh

568
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,720
yes six feet high you know

569
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,320
it's something else it's it's really

570
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:14,960
great i love it and uh i want to say

571
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,000
this really quick um because i i have

572
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:19,840
told a few people about what went down

573
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,120
on friday but i haven't been to a rock

574
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,280
and roll show in a while where i was

575
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:28,640
able to just you know go start to finish

576
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:32,000
but i was able to because of you

577
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,080
um and just the circumstances of the day

578
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,640
it wasn't anything that was planned

579
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,440
but i ended up being a roadie

580
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:44,559
i was i was a guitar tech

581
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,000
um i i was a photographer i was a

582
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:50,880
videographer uh i even did a little

583
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:54,640
security um it was it was something

584
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,240
that uh for myself and for brett uh

585
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,760
to be able to get the full experience of

586
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,240
what rock and roll is all about was

587
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,039
because of you and just thank you so

588
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:09,520
much it was it was totally cool now uh

589
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,760
oh it's my pleasure it was great it was

590
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,679
there's no rock stars around me you know

591
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,480
so we just everybody's trying to be cool

592
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,400
and have both feet on the ground always

593
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,640
otherwise we have to smack people around

594
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,880
you know that's our our rules it was it

595
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,039
was just so much fun and i want to i

596
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,559
want to talk about everybody in your

597
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:30,840
band really quick before we go

598
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,080
um i cannot believe and i'm being

599
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,559
serious we've we've all done the rock

600
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,279
and roll thing okay and we always know

601
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,120
there's always a bad apple

602
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,400
you your band everybody in the band

603
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,799
unless i'm completely wrong here

604
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,679
are absolutely grounded and cool

605
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:51,600
is it is that a requirement for

606
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,960
hypocrisy i'm being serious too that's a

607
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,120
serious question i i think you know the

608
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,880
the older you get that the

609
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,159
you know uh you choose your surrounding

610
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,600
kind of you know

611
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,559
uh

612
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,640
so i guess you the older you get you

613
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,960
form your life with people you want to

614
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,520
be around and work with and and and so

615
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,320
on when you're younger you just grab

616
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,080
anyone and then you find out later that

617
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,520
they're not so cool

618
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,919
right so i mean you know the

619
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,679
the older you get the more delicate it

620
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,440
gets you know to have someone that has

621
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,960
something

622
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:27,120
inside his head

623
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,400
to work with because you're going to be

624
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,080
trapped in the bus for

625
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,400
a month maybe sometimes two months right

626
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,640
and then you re really have to

627
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,919
yeah the

628
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,080
chemistry has to work otherwise it's

629
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,880
it's a nightmare and how are the uh

630
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:42,799
audiences uh different here in the

631
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:45,679
united states from say doing

632
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,320
uh some of the giant festivals over in

633
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,400
europe and where obviously you're from

634
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,159
sweden so you have a

635
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,279
uh your local fan base there too as well

636
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:58,159
um how are the audiences different

637
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,279
uh

638
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,240
i don't know i mean i i was looking out

639
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,720
because we we did uh some shows in

640
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,440
november in europe and you look out at

641
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,000
them and then you look at this and it's

642
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,600
pretty close you know they're they're

643
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,159
hungry we haven't been out in europe for

644
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,480
a long time either so people are really

645
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,240
hungry to get

646
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,440
to get a

647
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,520
to be a part of it you know of course

648
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,760
which is really great it helps you

649
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:25,600
your confidence when you write music you

650
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,080
know and if you're on the bottom of uh

651
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,000
of your self-confidence and it's really

652
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,919
hard to get up you know to be inspired

653
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,159
to write music or lyrics and stuff but

654
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,840
if you always get pats on the back and

655
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,000
stuff it really boosts you to to start

656
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,080
writing

657
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,880
more and you know get into things and

658
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,600
yeah just plainly getting inspired you

659
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,159
know okay uh peter here's the question

660
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,559
before i let you go i you know i'm going

661
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,320
to ask this

662
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,400
when is the new album coming out i know

663
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,440
it's half done all the music is done

664
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,120
there's still some things that have to

665
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,360
be finished but you've got a lot of fans

666
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,120
out there man

667
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,440
when can we expect this

668
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,600
i would say october november i i would

669
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,840
say like one song at least end of

670
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,840
september is coming out with a video

671
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,760
like a pre thing

672
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,559
uh

673
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:18,720
that i could really pretty much promise

674
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,080
you so i there will be a song out one

675
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,840
month before the album comes out you

676
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,640
know

677
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:27,200
and uh

678
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,080
yeah

679
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
they need four months after i'm done

680
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,760
with the album they need four months to

681
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,760
prepare it the

682
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,200
the record company because they want to

683
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,039
do a good job and stuff so they want to

684
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,279
have plenty of times with everything but

685
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,200
now when we were here we were doing

686
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,640
photo shoots we did video and so we're

687
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,600
a lot

688
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,360
ahead because usually after you're done

689
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,279
with the album then you start doing the

690
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,799
photos and the

691
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,080
videos and

692
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,039
covers and you name it but now we're

693
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,799
doing a little bit backwards which feels

694
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,559
good and it makes you less stressed when

695
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,080
you get home and then you only have to

696
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,679
concentrate on lyrics and stuff like

697
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,880
that so

698
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,799
let's see what kind of lures it's going

699
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,520
to be i'm going to be pushing a lot of

700
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:10,320
fingers in a lot of people's eyes so i'm

701
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:13,760
going kamikaze on this album it's it's

702
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,000
kamikaze well i i i i can assure all the

703
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,720
fans out there that uh i've listened to

704
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,760
uh

705
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,760
three or four tracks i think four tracks

706
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:26,080
uh from the new from the new record

707
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,159
and the uh it's an evolution it's not a

708
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,799
revolution it's an evolution of

709
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,120
of your songwriting and you have taken

710
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,480
it to another level the vocals have

711
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:39,919
never been better

712
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,880
but the lushness and the completeness of

713
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,039
everything is going to blow people's

714
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,360
minds and you've certainly taken your

715
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,960
skills to another level peter so

716
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,840
congratulations thank you thank you now

717
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,159
i know it's always hard to know i mean

718
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,159
we have to follow our hearts but the

719
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,679
more we listen to the album now when

720
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,320
it's complete it sounds like a kind of a

721
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,440
best of hypocrisy but new

722
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,600
if you know what i mean peter i'm now

723
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,840
taking away from your night on the las

724
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,000
vegas strip so go out with the guys have

725
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,559
a great time tell everybody i said hello

726
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,799
good luck on the tour and and when you

727
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,799
get to salt lake don't don't forget

728
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,039
gotta say uh good evening salt lake you

729
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,679
just gotta do that okay i will all right

730
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,240
save travis peter all right fader fader

731
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,480
fans hope to see some of you out there

732
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,320
you know we just started so hopefully

733
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,399
we're in town near you thank you so much

734
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,399
peter now go have fun hey thank you

735
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,240
we'll talk soon thank you very much

736
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,440
peter tackerin hypocrisy the world tour

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is right there you can go to

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hypocrisy.com

739
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,720
you can follow hypocrisy the band right

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00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,159
there on twitter

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all right

837
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,000
here we go welcome back fade to black

838
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,240
tonight we have russell targ with us and

839
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:03,920
lance moon gia

840
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,520
tomorrow night rizzberg is here mit

841
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,960
to talk about his new book the

842
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,839
simulation hypothesis wednesday night is

843
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,480
jj and desiree her talk

844
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,400
are going to be here to discuss their

845
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,520
new book about gisa and the gisa plateau

846
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,760
it's called giza's industrial complex

847
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,440
but tonight

848
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,040
it's russell tarr

849
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,359
russell is a physicist author esp

850
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,320
researcher and laser pioneer at the

851
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,960
stanford research institute in the 70s

852
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,560
and 80s target and his colleagues

853
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,119
founded a 23-year 25 million dollar

854
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,000
research program into psychic abilities

855
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,320
and their operational use for the u s

856
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,400
intelligence community including

857
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,880
the cia and the defense intelligence

858
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:49,440
agency these abilities are referred

859
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,720
collectively as remote viewing the new

860
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,760
film is called third eye spies and i

861
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,200
would like to welcome back to fade to

862
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,760
black russell targ russell good evening

863
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,200
sir how are you

864
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,160
very happy to be with you now russ oh

865
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,400
i'm sorry so i just cut you off at the

866
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,079
front of the conversation i'm sorry

867
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,839
about that i was gonna say the story

868
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:11,760
we're talking about is the true story of

869
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,960
cia psychic spying where we trained

870
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,440
ordinary people how to get in touch with

871
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,520
their psychic ability and they could

872
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,079
look into russia look into china

873
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,640
find our hostages and do all sorts of

874
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:27,520
amazing things for two decades it's a

875
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,640
it's an incredible documentary and i'm

876
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,720
gonna get into that in just a bit i did

877
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:34,960
want to ask you this because

878
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:38,079
in in the film which uh since you were

879
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,440
on the show with this last time which

880
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:41,040
was almost two years ago at the start of

881
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,079
the film

882
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,680
um the

883
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,400
uh and i've watched clips but now when i

884
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,640
watch there's one thing that stands out

885
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,599
for me

886
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:52,800
was that in the beginning for you in 71

887
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:55,920
70 71 72 at the beginning of this

888
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,960
it was it seemed a bit more innocent for

889
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,520
you you didn't know about the future yet

890
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,520
right what the what was about to happen

891
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:04,640
to you guys

892
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,839
were you looking at it at you know esp

893
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,800
and

894
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,200
some of the new age subjects that were

895
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:14,720
rolling around in the early 70s was it

896
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,640
more fun and an interest of of exploring

897
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,240
the unknown

898
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,000
well i had a lifetime of fun and

899
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,480
interest exploring the unknown i built

900
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,119
an esp teaching machine that's still

901
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:28,880
available on the internet it's called

902
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,280
esp trainer right that's a no-cost

903
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,240
device we used in our program but i had

904
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,119
many years before sri when i was

905
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:41,680
interested in psychic ability

906
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,920
in 1972 i went to the cia see i had done

907
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,560
laser work for the cia in the earlier

908
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,680
days

909
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,560
so in 72 i decided that i was going to

910
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,320
change my course

911
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,720
and move from laser research and set up

912
00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:00,000
the esp lab i had always dreamt of so i

913
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:01,200
went to the

914
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,480
cia

915
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,400
and said i think that i know how to

916
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,400
train your people

917
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,440
as a cia to look into the distance and

918
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,599
find out what the russians are doing and

919
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,440
we can demonstrate that would you be

920
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,200
interested

921
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,200
and i had no i had an idea that they'd

922
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,160
probably be interested oh you did okay

923
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,760
and what what i find uh really amazing

924
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:26,000
and this is not a joke

925
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,200
is that

926
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,640
the

927
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:29,680
uh

928
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,960
the world powers now because the cia did

929
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,520
get involved and the military industrial

930
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:37,839
complex uh the defense intelligence

931
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,079
agency suddenly everybody is involved

932
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:44,640
now we've got you know state actors and

933
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:47,760
world players and very serious things

934
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,720
going down did you get scared

935
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,040
you know did you get nervous

936
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,119
no i i was

937
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,400
i i've had a lifetime interest in this

938
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,520
and what what makes the film unique

939
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,640
is that we have the cia on camera we

940
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,200
have kit green who's the well-known

941
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,280
physician and ken kress

942
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,400
who's a physicist so we have these two

943
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,400
senior cia guys

944
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,760
on camera saying yes we were polygraphed

945
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,920
we saw what targ did and it's really

946
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,800
true

947
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,440
we saw them we saw this happen

948
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,119
so these two

949
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,359
graybeard scientists give us a kind of

950
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,920
gravitas that we'd not have if i was

951
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:32,079
just standing up and describe some

952
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,359
amazing things that have in the

953
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,720
laboratory

954
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,520
see it's amazing that i got the cia on

955
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,000
camera to give me a testimonial that

956
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,839
they were there and it happened and the

957
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,960
uh very early on um and what i mean by

958
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,880
that is in you know

959
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,040
the the program kicked off with you and

960
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,280
how put off in 72.

961
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,000
uh in goes swan you guys are starting to

962
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,960
show things in uh and amazing yourselves

963
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:00,800
too as well that was the other thing

964
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,079
where this was uh getting pretty solid

965
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,400
but then pat the the situation with pat

966
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:08,640
price surfaces and

967
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,800
he he leaves and joins the cia

968
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,359
uh reveals some pretty incredible stuff

969
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,800
and you and i have talked about that

970
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:18,079
before we don't need to get into that

971
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,200
but he

972
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:22,240
he does some pretty serious exposure and

973
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,240
then four months later uh pat price dies

974
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,160
does that start to show you and

975
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,720
everybody else about how how serious

976
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,280
this situation was getting for you guys

977
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,359
that definitely got my attention i got

978
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,680
worried at that point see i knew about

979
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,760
esp for a lifetime

980
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,680
path price was functioning at a level

981
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,000
that i had never imagined it never

982
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,839
occurred to me that the guy could bring

983
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,480
his consciousness into the vault of the

984
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,200
national security agency and read the

985
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:53,920
top secret names of programs that's

986
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,720
beyond what i or anybody else had ever

987
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,599
seen

988
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,079
so price was really in a category by

989
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,280
himself

990
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,000
able to read things in a top secret

991
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,440
location

992
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,920
and what happened is that after a day

993
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:09,200
after a year

994
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,359
the cia got worried about twice

995
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:15,200
hanging out with these hippies in

996
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:18,880
california cia was very worried that i

997
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,920
was too much of an enthusiast

998
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:23,839
to be working with the world's greatest

999
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,640
psychic what they felt is that

1000
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,560
price could read anything price could

1001
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,280
read the nuclear launch codes in the

1002
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,440
pocket of the president and start a

1003
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,960
world war

1004
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,960
and here he's hanging out with target

1005
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,240
put off

1006
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,839
at sli having too good a time

1007
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,640
so

1008
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,720
price really scared them

1009
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,960
because of his omniscience

1010
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,400
and they wanted to take them out of

1011
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,920
california

1012
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,280
and have them

1013
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,599
under their control in virginia and that

1014
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,200
they did

1015
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,920
did did they um

1016
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,200
okay

1017
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:00,640
did they

1018
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:08,240
in that uh you you can now look back uh

1019
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,359
with uh

1020
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,960
with hindsight

1021
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,800
uh were they putting pressure on you

1022
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,160
guys that

1023
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,680
was starting to freak you out a little

1024
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,000
bit where they wanted to use this for

1025
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,119
some pretty crazy reasons

1026
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,240
oh i wouldn't say so that they knew what

1027
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,920
they knew we were a scientist first of

1028
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,160
all so half of our time we're doing

1029
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,160
research and we're actually able to

1030
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,800
publish in nature magazine and the

1031
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,359
proceedings of the engineering society

1032
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,960
we couldn't publish

1033
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,319
the fact that we're sparring on the

1034
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,960
russians or the chinese but we could

1035
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,359
publish our data

1036
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,760
about psychic height and seek in the bay

1037
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,440
area where

1038
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,440
somebody would hide and price had to say

1039
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,680
where they were so we could talk about

1040
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,000
that stuff and publish that

1041
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,800
but what they got more and more

1042
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,359
pressure is that no more publishing of

1043
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,319
anything this is an operational program

1044
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,079
don't you get that

1045
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,319
and i eventually got it left

1046
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:07,920
because of all

1047
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,839
the the our in-house monitor i asked him

1048
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,280
uh

1049
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,520
just think of the possibilities

1050
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,920
of i wanted to we was we're seeing a lot

1051
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,400
of precognition we're seeing the people

1052
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,160
could be targeted on what's going to

1053
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,000
happen in the future

1054
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,480
and they could do that just as well as

1055
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,560
contemporaneous viewing and as a

1056
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,520
physicist that was very exciting to me

1057
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,960
because it's absolutely probably the

1058
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,119
most important thing i can tell you is

1059
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,079
for a psychic it's just as easy to

1060
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,400
describe what's happening next week

1061
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,560
as to happen is what's happening right

1062
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,839
now no harder to look in the future

1063
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,720
and that's new physics that's really

1064
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,359
quite amazing and i wanted our contract

1065
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,200
monitor isis and we can't just think

1066
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,079
about that he said i'm not paid to think

1067
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,319
i'm paid to find out what the defense

1068
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,560
intelligence agency wants and to make

1069
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,400
sure that you do that

1070
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,160
so i decided it's my time

1071
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,079
to leave when my manager said i'm not

1072
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,920
paid to think i realize then it's time

1073
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,160
to leave that's that's pretty scary to

1074
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,119
me right there did you guys have uh the

1075
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,119
ability to

1076
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:18,079
uh suggest what this research could and

1077
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,319
could not be used for

1078
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,160
well in the beginning we were never

1079
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,319
asked to do any nasty things i know the

1080
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,800
cia

1081
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,119
has done a lot of nasty things we we

1082
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,240
were not part of mkultra when we first

1083
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:37,760
joined the cia we were introduced to sid

1084
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:41,680
gottlieb who is the manager of mkultra

1085
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,560
so we went in his basement library and

1086
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,079
chatted with him

1087
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,720
and he's a very intelligent amiable guy

1088
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,040
even though he's a murderer right i i

1089
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,680
suppose joseph mengele probably played

1090
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,240
mozart in the afternoon well before he

1091
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,599
killed the jews

1092
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,480
anyway uh sid gottlieb was in charge of

1093
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,680
a nasty

1094
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,920
terrible program

1095
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,440
but his only

1096
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,920
odd suggestion to me was that he thought

1097
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,599
it would work better if i gave our

1098
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,000
viewers lsd

1099
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,480
and i was of course familiar with lsd

1100
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,319
because of the 70s

1101
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,440
and i was aware that our viewers

1102
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,839
needed to have their conscious abilities

1103
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,000
at hand you can't

1104
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,680
you're not just looking at pictures when

1105
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,160
you're doing remote viewing you have to

1106
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,760
be able to separate

1107
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,480
the noise the mental chatter from the

1108
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,720
psychic signal and that's a

1109
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,359
intelligent analytical task and if

1110
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,680
you're high on acid you'll see lots of

1111
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,720
pictures

1112
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:43,040
but you will not be able or be very

1113
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,160
interested

1114
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,480
in separating the signal to the noise

1115
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,480
and he understood that he said okay just

1116
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,200
just an idea just an idea i have a lot

1117
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,280
of experience with lsd and i said i know

1118
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,400
you have

1119
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,160
but that's not going to work in this

1120
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,079
application

1121
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,920
yeah

1122
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,760
as close to the dark side as they ever

1123
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:02,720
came

1124
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,640
we know i think today uh i think that we

1125
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,640
understand that remote viewing not only

1126
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:12,000
is real but there are applications to it

1127
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,800
and

1128
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,760
if you are trained correctly just about

1129
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,640
anybody could to could develop the

1130
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:21,920
skills to be a remote viewer but the

1131
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:25,520
question on everybody's mind is the cia

1132
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:29,440
still active in this program

1133
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,480
well

1134
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:32,720
we assume that they're still active in

1135
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,839
the film kit green who's our

1136
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,000
super contract monitor

1137
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:40,160
on camera says that they're still doing

1138
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,200
it

1139
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,839
at a smaller scale

1140
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,599
he talks about things i didn't know

1141
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,119
about i trained two cia operatives who

1142
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,720
came to visit us

1143
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,240
and they were both very skillful

1144
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:54,720
excellent remote viewers and with kit

1145
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,950
after pat price left us he was working

1146
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,200
at the cia with the two people that i

1147
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,319
trained

1148
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,480
so it was a new entry so we have all

1149
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,880
sorts of new things in in the film

1150
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,040
there's one that one of i wanted to make

1151
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,359
this film food eye spies

1152
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,680
so the material got archived so that it

1153
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,319
didn't get buried after i died

1154
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,760
or got

1155
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,240
again classified had been top secret so

1156
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,960
i was i was able to get it declassified

1157
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,119
and i wanted to get it out so the people

1158
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,520
would understand that this

1159
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,240
remote viewing ability is available

1160
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,480
to ordinary people you're not all going

1161
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:38,960
to be past price or ringo swan

1162
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,079
but you can find your car keys you can

1163
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,240
invest in the stock market

1164
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,319
and you can learn more about who you

1165
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,960
might be that you have this non-local

1166
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,079
ability

1167
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,839
to look into the distance and look into

1168
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,119
the future

1169
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,079
so i was highly motivated to make this

1170
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:57,280
film

1171
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,160
when

1172
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:00,800
lance and i started five years ago

1173
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,280
are you happy with the film

1174
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:05,680
i'm very happy with the film

1175
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,880
lance is a very gifted filmmaker

1176
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:11,599
i saw his previous film six string

1177
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:14,960
samurai which is a very artistic

1178
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,079
impressionistic film and i just loved it

1179
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,720
there's a third party sent me to go look

1180
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,880
at this film and i was sold i just

1181
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,280
called lance i said i loved your film

1182
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,440
you will make the perfect film

1183
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,240
displaying this all and

1184
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:32,960
he stayed strongly away from the talking

1185
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,160
heads this is a this film is a

1186
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,720
experience it's like part of the

1187
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,160
avant-garde

1188
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,359
where it

1189
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,599
kicks you in the gut it drags you along

1190
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,160
so you're really experiencing what these

1191
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,480
people experience as they look into the

1192
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,119
future and have psychic experiences i

1193
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,720
think he i think math did an

1194
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,559
exceptionally good job

1195
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,800
i agree with you the film could almost

1196
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,040
be part of school curriculum you know

1197
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,319
it's laid out that way it's uh it's it's

1198
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,800
educational it's an incredible piece of

1199
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,040
work i wanted to ask you

1200
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,119
about ingo swan

1201
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:10,880
and ingo

1202
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,480
in the film i never met ingo okay i i

1203
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,640
i've never had that opportunity

1204
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,800
but in the film

1205
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:20,079
he's got

1206
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,800
and it kind he comes off a bit strong

1207
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,400
um

1208
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,559
was that the way that he was he that

1209
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,480
confident in his abilities the way it's

1210
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,559
portrayed in the documentary he was

1211
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,200
totally confident of his ingo swan

1212
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:39,119
invented remote viewing in the modern

1213
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,079
era

1214
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:42,319
as he taught us how to do remote viewing

1215
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,680
and what to do

1216
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,280
that you should not have me be looking

1217
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,119
at pictures in an envelope if i want to

1218
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,800
know what's in the envelope i'm going to

1219
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,359
open it if you don't i can focus my

1220
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,000
attention anywhere on the planet if you

1221
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,000
don't give me something worth doing i'm

1222
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,520
going home

1223
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,240
and shortly after that nasa came along

1224
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,720
nasa was supported by esp teaching

1225
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,960
machine at sri

1226
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,760
and nasa was in my office once and

1227
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,000
turned to ingo and said we're about to

1228
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,680
launch the pioneer spacecraft to jupiter

1229
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,000
and go can you tell us anything we'll

1230
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,559
find there that's a surprise

1231
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:20,880
anger took a big puff on his cigar and

1232
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,000
said well yeah now that you mention it i

1233
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:26,640
see that the big fat ring of ice

1234
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:29,920
crystals all the way around jupiter

1235
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,800
and the contract bond is very amiable

1236
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,040
that friend of mine said anger you're

1237
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,440
thinking of saturn aren't you saturn is

1238
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,040
the one with the rings

1239
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,880
and he gave my friend a contemptuous

1240
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:42,800
look he said listen i've been looking at

1241
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,520
the solar system my entire life i don't

1242
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,240
confuse jupiter or saturn i'm telling

1243
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,680
you that you're going to find something

1244
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,920
that nobody's ever seen before

1245
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:54,079
and eight months later after the pioneer

1246
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,440
spacecraft

1247
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,319
circled jupiter they sent us pictures

1248
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,280
very much like what ingo has and we show

1249
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,720
the nasa photographs and ningo's drawing

1250
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:05,920
in the film

1251
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,880
it's uh and when everybody watches it

1252
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,359
and the build up to that because up to

1253
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,559
that point

1254
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,040
we only had what we had from jupiter and

1255
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,280
one of those things that we didn't have

1256
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,160
were rings it's really it's it's that's

1257
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,000
it's that fundamental

1258
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,760
it shows that ingo can focus his

1259
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,119
attention

1260
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,680
500 million miles away

1261
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,760
and what people don't realize is he did

1262
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,760
that with no time

1263
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,160
so you see radio waves or light waves

1264
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,240
take an hour to get to earth from earth

1265
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,599
to jupiter

1266
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,000
when ingo's swan focuses attention on

1267
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,880
jupiter is instantaneous

1268
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,559
so the buddhists say there's no

1269
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,920
separation

1270
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,119
and in the model we have for

1271
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,599
the complex space time we live in the

1272
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,520
reason that

1273
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,599
remote viewing works so well

1274
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:00,000
is that it's independent of distance no

1275
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,680
harder to describe soviet siberia than

1276
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:05,760
it is to look across the street in palo

1277
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,720
alto increasing the distance makes

1278
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,760
absolutely no difference and that's now

1279
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:14,240
been proven in many laboratories

1280
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,359
so the reason you can describe jupiter

1281
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,079
or siberia or japan or china or whatever

1282
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,559
you want to do is that for consciousness

1283
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,400
there's no separation

1284
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,000
so one of the reasons you'd like to

1285
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,559
study this and perhaps see the film is

1286
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,559
that you get in touch with your

1287
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,720
non-local awareness your timeless

1288
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,119
awareness but the buddhas say that we

1289
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,040
all are made

1290
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,520
basically of timeless awareness

1291
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:41,680
rather than meat and potatoes

1292
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,720
and if you start learning remote viewing

1293
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,240
you get in touch with that part of

1294
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,359
yourself that is timeless that can move

1295
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,000
out into space and time it's not just

1296
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,480
for ingo and path price it's for anyone

1297
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,800
who wants to develop the ability

1298
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:58,640
once you guys started to figure this out

1299
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,839
especially after the jupiter uh

1300
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,800
viewing did you guys also look off

1301
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:06,800
planet did you try to reach out to maybe

1302
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:10,640
e.t or see if there was life on mars

1303
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,760
well people have done that by themselves

1304
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,800
i taught six army guys how to do remote

1305
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,920
viewing

1306
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,760
because the army got embarrassed to

1307
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,000
always have to come to sri

1308
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,599
uh to find a submarine or a

1309
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,200
kidnapped general or something they

1310
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,839
wanted to learn to do it so i taught six

1311
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,400
army people how to do remote viewing one

1312
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,280
of those was joe mcmonagle who is still

1313
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,160
alive and is a world-class remote viewer

1314
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,480
up there with path price and ingo swan

1315
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,200
so joe was a unique

1316
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,599
outstanding person and many of the

1317
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:48,640
people at his place at fort meade

1318
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:51,839
in addition to tracking russians

1319
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,119
uh we're interested in looking

1320
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,440
off planet looking at the moon and they

1321
00:54:02,549 --> 00:53:59,040
were targeted

1322
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,559
by uh dia to look and see what's on the

1323
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:04,319
other side of the moon

1324
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,000
are people building stuff there are the

1325
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,720
ufo bases on the planet

1326
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,520
and that was not sri i'm

1327
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,760
sort of a unreconstructed physicist i

1328
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,240
didn't want i'm not interested or i'm

1329
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,640
interested in ufos but not on a

1330
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,640
programmatic level the programmatic

1331
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,359
level i wanted to do experiments where

1332
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,599
we would actually get feedback

1333
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,839
if we're describing something

1334
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,680
if the guy does it right i want to know

1335
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,359
that if he does it wrong i want to know

1336
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,720
that also

1337
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,400
telling me about the dark side of the

1338
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,119
moon is sort of out of scope

1339
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,440
and it doesn't have any payoff if if

1340
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,359
ingo writes the book and says i've

1341
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,280
looked at the other side of the moon and

1342
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,400
there's a whole industrial complex there

1343
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,559
but you're never going to know about it

1344
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,040
that's not rewarding to me

1345
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,440
would it would it surprise you if uh

1346
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:57,520
ingo did come at you with some

1347
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,319
information like that

1348
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,079
well he did he really he wrote a book

1349
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,480
about uh called penetrations

1350
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:06,960
where he's in this in this book which he

1351
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,160
claims is a non-fiction account of an

1352
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,280
experience

1353
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,920
where he talks about a cia coming to him

1354
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,839
and say we want you to describe what's

1355
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,599
on the other side of the moon

1356
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:19,440
and ingo goes through a remote viewing

1357
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,400
protocol

1358
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,319
and has all sorts of hardware on the

1359
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:24,079
other side of the moon

1360
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,359
and it's a

1361
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,200
long description in this book

1362
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:29,440
penetration

1363
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,400
which

1364
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,640
people find very exciting

1365
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,040
and i think it's very interesting i'm a

1366
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,000
lifelong science fiction reader

1367
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,920
and i have no way of telling whether

1368
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,240
what dingo said is true or not

1369
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,240
but we have enough miracles in the

1370
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,640
program that we found

1371
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,440
a kidnapped american general and we were

1372
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,920
able to pinpoint the name of the person

1373
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,640
who kidnapped patricia hurst

1374
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,520
our psychic policeman went to the police

1375
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,000
station and put his finger on the

1376
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:03,359
photograph in a huge mug book and said

1377
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:06,559
that guy donald devries he's a kidnapper

1378
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,359
and

1379
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,079
priceless able to choose degrees out of

1380
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,000
hundreds and hundreds of other people he

1381
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,839
could have chosen so i've seen a lot of

1382
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,280
miracles but i like the miracles where

1383
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,720
we get feedback

1384
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,960
where it turns out that

1385
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,640
two weeks later we discovered that the

1386
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,200
kidnapper is donald devries and we can

1387
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say well done pat that's terrific it's

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another miracle chalked up

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another thing that we can chalk up for

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human capabilities

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well so i want to thank you for taking

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the time uh for coming on with us

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tonight the film is extraordinary and i

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just got to uh thank you right now not

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only uh for myself personally but our

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community in the world for the work that

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you have good eye spies and it's

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available for all digital channels

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digital platforms you can download it

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from any place thank you so much russell

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and enjoy the rest of your evening sir

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thank you so much thank you very much

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for the opportunity

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russell targ the film is third eye spies

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and when we come back

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after this break lance mundia is going

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to be here he is the director of third

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eye spies

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this is fade to black i'm your host

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third eye spies is the new documentary i

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jimmychurchradio.com third eye spies is

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the new documentary feature film by

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award-winning director lance mongia it

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chronicles the lifelong journey of

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physicist russell targ and co-founder of

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the samford research institute's cia

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supported esp research program

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targ's quest has been to reveal to the

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world the reality of esp and the fact

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that every intelligence agency of the

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united states government has used psy or

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what came to be known as remote viewing

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operationally for intelligence gathering

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against soviets and others this 23 year

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old program

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has oversight at every high level

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film is third eye spies third

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eyespies.com i would like to welcome

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back to fade to black our good friend

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lance mungia

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lance jimmy jimmy man

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thank you man man

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man what a film okay now look

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lance there's no question you've been on

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the show uh

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before talking about this when things

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were just starting to come together it's

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been a long road the film is now out and

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released i have to ask you directly as

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the director are you happy

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oh man i'm i'm very happy you know i'm

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very happy and i'm very uh relieved that

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third eye spies is now able to be seen

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you know um we were not uh taken out by

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some shady agency in the making you know

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no one's shut it up

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it is out in the world man it's really

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out and that and that is actually very

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uh exciting that that uh i get to share

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sort of something that i was working on

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in a lot of isolation for a long time uh

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with your listeners and and with the

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world in general i mean i think that

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this film is really gonna

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uh you know change a lot of people's

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mind about esp in general you know

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really just sort of upset the apple cart

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of what we think of when we think of

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science

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and and uh i'm really honored to have

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been a part of it actually

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we have two two things that are going on

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here

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uh one

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with uh with pop culture and the men who

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stared at goats right

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and you have that take that the public

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is exposed to and then you have

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something like this that comes along you

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know third eye spies which is a very

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serious documentary where the public now

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uh is forced to step back

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and where

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you know goats was something that was

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almost a comedy right it was almost

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maybe definitely yeah right right and

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where they probably didn't take it that

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serious or

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um that the government didn't take it

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that serious or that

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it wasn't successful

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and then this comes out and the public

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now has to take a step back and go this

1624
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:31,039
is a real program with real results

1625
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um and it was very dangerous and things

1626
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were in play this is not a joke and

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that's you know you know what i mean

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you've got two different things that the

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public has to deal with

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yeah man absolutely i mean and and that

1631
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was really the thing that hit me the

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first time that i sat down with russell

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targ

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and and spread out a bunch of

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photographs and you know and target

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drawings of remote viewings on my on my

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living room table and and i'm looking at

1638
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,839
this stuff and that's exactly the

1639
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:59,280
thought that i had in my mind this is

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not a joke

1641
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:05,039
actually this is real and and when i had

1642
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that realization

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01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:08,640
you know there was so many such a mix of

1644
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,640
emotions there because i thought first

1645
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,960
my first thought was okay am i being

1646
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,799
tricked i mean am i on camera i mean you

1647
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,799
know what what is is this a you know is

1648
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,319
this really real then you realize yeah

1649
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,640
it is and then your next thought is you

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01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,559
know am i even going to be able to make

1651
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:24,480
this film is someone going to even allow

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01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,520
this film

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01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,440
to be made i mean we seriously had that

1654
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,520
conversation the first time we met you

1655
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,960
know it was something that we did not

1656
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,960
know if the government was still doing

1657
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,880
this in some dark room in some

1658
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:37,119
classified chamber somewhere that you

1659
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,559
know they may not like us talking about

1660
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,559
this and um

1661
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:42,400
and i had no idea

1662
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:45,599
the extent of of what had been done and

1663
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,839
and i understood that the only way that

1664
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,079
this project was going to stick and

1665
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,440
where it would actually get made and

1666
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:53,920
people would see it is if we really took

1667
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,799
the collective weight of what all these

1668
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,640
different people had done over a 20-year

1669
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,280
period and and we and we compiled that

1670
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,559
into something with all of the

1671
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,799
first-hand testimony that we could get

1672
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,160
you know while these people were still

1673
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,400
alive that participated in the original

1674
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:10,079
program i mean to me that was crucial

1675
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,079
because you can look at lots of funny

1676
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,000
drawings on paper you know match to

1677
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,440
targets and stuff and say oh that's

1678
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,279
remote viewing and someone psychically

1679
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:19,279
drew this a thousand miles away from

1680
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,480
where they were supposed to be looking

1681
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,319
and they got it right but if you don't

1682
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:25,600
actually get real credible people on

1683
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,600
camera from cia from dia from um you

1684
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,279
know the scientific community places

1685
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,839
like cambridge in in england uh you know

1686
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,279
we got a nobel prize winner you know

1687
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,839
people from nasa like um like edgar

1688
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,440
mitchell you know

1689
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,440
we needed all of those people to say yes

1690
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,359
this really did occur because it was so

1691
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,520
incredible and so accurate that it

1692
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,520
really sort of ends the debate about

1693
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,600
whether or not psychic abilities are

1694
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,080
real yeah they're real but are they are

1695
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,159
they useful you know for to us

1696
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:57,279
intelligence the cia says no but all of

1697
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,560
the documentation that i saw and and a

1698
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,319
lot of other people talked about

1699
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:04,560
suggests that it was incredibly useful

1700
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:07,440
you know that's that's the thing this is

1701
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:10,799
you know you know not you lance i'm

1702
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,400
saying in general the war you know the

1703
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:16,799
cia's got this program running right now

1704
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:17,679
it

1705
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,080
you know whenever you talk to somebody

1706
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,480
from cia especially somebody like like a

1707
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,480
kit green who was the former contract

1708
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,080
monitor and he was the

1709
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,000
later the uh you know director of life

1710
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,920
sciences for cia and he's still a

1711
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:33,920
working medical doctor

1712
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,719
it's like talking to an onion

1713
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,480
you're peeling away all of these layers

1714
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,159
and you're trying to get at what he

1715
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,880
really means or or what the truth really

1716
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,560
is about this and

1717
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,480
and it just it never ends you go down

1718
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,640
the rabbit hole and there's so many

1719
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:51,440
different other roads that you find and

1720
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,920
and um what i really found is that this

1721
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:56,480
disconnects so many dots among so many

1722
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:57,440
different

1723
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,080
places in in covert intelligence from

1724
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,800
everything from you know ufos to psychic

1725
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,920
ability and pk and and sort of uh you

1726
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,360
know you know these these sort of spy

1727
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,880
games that governments play on each

1728
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,239
other and

1729
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,960
you know nobody really knows where this

1730
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,719
is at because the way intelligence is

1731
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,199
purposefully structured is to be highly

1732
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:19,360
compartmentalized so even people like

1733
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:22,000
russell or hal put off or joe mcmonagle

1734
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,840
who was the army remote viewer or other

1735
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,840
people you know i believe them when they

1736
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,159
say that this isn't still going on but i

1737
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:31,040
also think that they don't really know

1738
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,560
if you talk to kit green and he says it

1739
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,159
in our film you know he says of course

1740
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,480
it's probably still going on because

1741
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,440
they'd be dumb not to because it works

1742
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,960
and it's cheap

1743
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,280
it's super cheap it's super cheap you

1744
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:45,280
know okay

1745
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,719
let me ask you this and then we're gonna

1746
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,280
get back to the film and by the way uh

1747
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,440
there are i'm speaking to the audience

1748
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,000
here there are a few key things that i

1749
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,159
do want to discuss in the film but i

1750
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,199
want to encourage everybody

1751
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:01,679
to go and watch it there is so much

1752
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:04,000
information there and the things that i

1753
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,600
want to discuss tonight about the film

1754
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,159
that are very interesting uh are very

1755
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,880
small pieces of a very uh extraordinary

1756
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,199
project it's very comprehensive the the

1757
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,280
the film is very comprehensive but i

1758
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,199
have to ask you about kid green

1759
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,239
uh um uh off off subject

1760
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,560
did did you ask him about ufos did you

1761
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,199
ask him about ufos off camera

1762
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,040
yes

1763
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,480
no actually you know what i didn't

1764
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,120
purposefully bring up ufos to him

1765
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:33,920
he wanted to talk about ufos um but he

1766
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,560
was not interested and see with kit

1767
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,199
kit was a very very very intelligent man

1768
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,760
and a very obviously uh you know

1769
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:44,000
integral person to this whole thing

1770
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,440
and

1771
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,080
he made me do several interviews on

1772
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,679
background like you know basically where

1773
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:51,199
i wasn't going to include it in the film

1774
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,640
it was not to be printed um but in those

1775
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,560
interviews he would constantly bring up

1776
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,040
the idea of ufos and and he would not

1777
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,040
bring them up into the idea as as if

1778
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:03,360
this was some great thing to talk about

1779
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,280
he would bring it up as an example of

1780
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:09,280
what is not scientific you know it's

1781
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,800
anecdotal evidence it's that kind of

1782
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,280
thing it's it's you know a guy sees a

1783
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,280
glowing squirrel in his yard and then he

1784
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,960
has a blackout and claims to have had a

1785
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,880
ufo encounter and what the heck does

1786
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,719
this this glowing uh you know squirrel

1787
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,159
or raccoon or something even mean we

1788
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,000
don't know we have no idea it's really

1789
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,400
interesting but it's not scientific and

1790
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,920
and and these were the kinds of debates

1791
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,760
that we would have off screen over lunch

1792
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:31,760
and and things like that is how

1793
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,040
scientific is esp and remote viewing but

1794
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,199
again i found that as just another layer

1795
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,679
of the onion with this guy because when

1796
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,159
when i would interview other people um

1797
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:45,120
and and bring up you know kit um

1798
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,719
it became really clear that he has a

1799
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:48,800
very uh you know keen interest in the

1800
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,760
ufo subject matter um as does hal put

1801
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,920
off right you know um you know and

1802
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:55,520
and at that time i didn't know anything

1803
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,199
about atip or the you know the pentagon

1804
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,640
threat assessment program i didn't know

1805
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,199
any of that stuff um but turns out that

1806
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,120
kit was the one that actually introduced

1807
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,800
hal to

1808
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,800
the eight not the ate program but the to

1809
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,040
the stars academy um you know that hal

1810
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:11,920
was involved in and everywhere that i

1811
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:14,239
would go um you know people would say oh

1812
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:15,360
yeah you know they're really really

1813
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,560
interested in ufos i think they're

1814
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,560
working on ufo stuff over there and i

1815
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,400
would say you know well i don't know

1816
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,840
maybe and and

1817
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:22,960
you know

1818
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,199
maybe but the bottom line is that

1819
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,360
every time i would try to get kit on

1820
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,960
camera he'd say oh i'm much too busy i'm

1821
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,320
much too busy i can't i'm going to be

1822
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,719
with hal and austin this weekend and and

1823
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,239
uh i can't i said oh great i'll come

1824
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,840
down to austin and i'll get both of you

1825
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,840
guys on camera that's even better no no

1826
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:41,040
no we're too busy i can't do well what

1827
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,239
are you working on it

1828
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:44,000
can't talk about it yeah

1829
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,199
yeah

1830
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:46,640
they're working on their new history

1831
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,800
channel uh tv series so but yeah

1832
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,159
he uh

1833
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:55,280
kid's got his fingers in a lot of pies

1834
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,159
and

1835
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:58,800
he is central to so many different

1836
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:01,840
discussions and over the years it is

1837
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:04,320
amazing to me how often his name comes

1838
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,320
up on completely what would seem to be

1839
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:10,000
unconnected

1840
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:10,800
uh

1841
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:15,199
information and as it turns out it's all

1842
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,400
connected

1843
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,719
and and kit and and hal have found

1844
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,280
themselves at the center of of a lot of

1845
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,520
these pretty extraordinary claims

1846
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,520
you know i'll tell you you know one of

1847
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:27,840
the projects i might do moving forward

1848
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,880
is it involves ufos and it also involves

1849
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,880
remote viewing because there's a

1850
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,960
connection there

1851
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,800
and i think that the connection is is

1852
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,320
sort of a consciousness connection

1853
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,840
because if you can go and look at a

1854
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,480
soviet weapons factory in siberia where

1855
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,120
you can go and see uh the rings of ice

1856
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,199
rings around jupiter six months before

1857
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,040
pioneer gets there and nobody on earth

1858
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:51,440
knows about it like like ingo swan did

1859
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,239
then

1860
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,320
that that basically suggests that your

1861
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,320
consciousness can be anywhere right and

1862
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,400
and the only limit to that is your

1863
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,719
imagination you know if you if you don't

1864
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:02,239
know something is there you can't

1865
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,920
imagine it and therefore you can't

1866
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:06,080
really make contact with it but if you

1867
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,679
understand that something really is

1868
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:10,000
there then you can make contact with it

1869
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,679
using your imagination as sort of a

1870
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,760
steering wheel for your consciousness

1871
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:15,199
which i think is the most powerful

1872
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:17,920
communication tool that we have

1873
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,400
that we're not using what was uh

1874
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:22,400
what was it like

1875
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:23,280
with

1876
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:24,800
so many

1877
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,000
cia and defense intelligence guys one

1878
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:29,760
after another where you're interviewing

1879
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,719
them

1880
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,840
what was that like did you feel

1881
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:36,080
that they were giving you the straight

1882
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:37,360
story

1883
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,480
um for the most part yes you know for

1884
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,800
the most part yes and and what struck me

1885
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,800
was how incredibly generous how

1886
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:46,960
incredibly open and how incredibly you

1887
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,159
know nice everyone was to us um you know

1888
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:52,320
is that a red flag though see that's my

1889
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:53,440
point

1890
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,600
is that a red flag in itself no no

1891
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:57,040
because i think that i think that for

1892
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,640
the most part we were interviewing

1893
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,800
people who were not in the game now now

1894
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,600
there are other people that we

1895
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,199
interviewed that i think might be but

1896
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,880
you know and even a few who said they

1897
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,199
were but but for the most part

1898
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:09,040
um you know people like dale graf who

1899
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,159
was the defense intelligence agency

1900
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,840
head of the remote viewing program under

1901
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:16,000
jack verona dia

1902
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,800
or skip outwater who was the head of the

1903
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,400
army remote viewing program for a number

1904
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,800
of years uh you know

1905
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,640
these guys

1906
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,560
are work we're career intelligence

1907
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,400
people but i do believe that they are

1908
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,159
retired and i do believe that they have

1909
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,040
a very strong interest in in getting the

1910
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,159
story right you know movies like what uh

1911
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,000
uh what the movie you mentioned men who

1912
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,760
spit stare at goats and things like that

1913
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,600
are a complete complete

1914
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,920
you know distortion of really anything i

1915
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,520
mean that wasn't even remotely about

1916
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:47,120
remote viewing it was just about other

1917
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,400
things and

1918
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,520
and um

1919
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,800
i think that there's been a lot of

1920
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,360
minimizing and belittling of this kind

1921
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,440
of subject matter because belittling

1922
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,000
works you know it works in in many

1923
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:59,760
different topics that sort of the status

1924
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:02,239
quo just doesn't want you talking about

1925
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,000
you know you're never afraid of like

1926
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,159
what um you know cia's going to do to

1927
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,000
you you're afraid of what your mom's

1928
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:10,080
going to say or what you know your your

1929
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,440
buddies at work are going to say if you

1930
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:12,960
start talking about some weird thing

1931
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:16,480
like remote viewing or ufos or whatever

1932
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,199
and i think that um you know i spent a

1933
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:21,600
really a long time with ken krass who

1934
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:22,640
was the

1935
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,400
undercover um cia physicist that did

1936
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,880
that ran the program at its inception

1937
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,880
and uh dale graf as well you know we

1938
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,960
spent some time traveling and and you

1939
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,560
know filming him for for quite a while

1940
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:35,920
and i saw him at conferences and things

1941
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,080
like that afterwards and and both of

1942
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,760
those people i think

1943
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,199
were people who started off very

1944
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,000
skeptically you know they were very very

1945
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,040
intelligent phds you know um scientists

1946
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:48,640
you know people who were really

1947
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:49,600
uh

1948
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,800
people who had a reputation you know and

1949
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,199
what they saw haunted them and and they

1950
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,760
couldn't get over it you know and and

1951
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:59,360
this was especially obvious for ken

1952
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,480
because ken

1953
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:02,880
in the however many decades that it's

1954
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,520
been since you know this started has

1955
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,360
never come forward you know he chose

1956
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:09,120
never to say anything about this and he

1957
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:10,800
sort of has this you know beautiful

1958
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,600
place up in uh yellowstone and uh and

1959
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,199
you know and he's he's gone fishing he's

1960
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:16,960
retired you know and he was he was out

1961
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:19,360
of this even before i think

1962
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,880
cia and a lot of the other agencies

1963
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:22,640
really understood the true

1964
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,080
power of all of this and and um but

1965
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:28,560
nevertheless he was witness to

1966
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,679
very miraculous things and and and it

1967
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,600
was so fascinating to me and i at some

1968
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:35,520
point i'm gonna just put up like a big

1969
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,760
chunk of a dinner that he had with

1970
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,440
russell the first night that we got

1971
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,440
there and i filmed this thing and it was

1972
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,120
so obvious they were playing this chess

1973
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:45,199
game going back and forth trying to

1974
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,560
figure out if they should trust each

1975
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,560
other uh you know

1976
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,239
ken was like kind of like just probing

1977
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:52,239
like well what about this thing and

1978
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:53,600
what was your feeling about this other

1979
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,159
thing because even to this day i think

1980
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,480
he he never fully

1981
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:00,080
can wrap his head around what happened

1982
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:02,239
because it was just so miraculous did

1983
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,800
you reach out to the cia for comment on

1984
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,159
this film

1985
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:08,960
um i did not but but ken would only do

1986
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:11,040
the interview if i submitted questions

1987
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,120
first and those questions were vetted by

1988
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:15,840
cia and he was approved to answer them

1989
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,239
and and there was a whole bunch of stuff

1990
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,159
that he also sent in that he was not

1991
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,400
allowed to talk about but what he did

1992
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,920
talk about in the film was actually

1993
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:25,920
approved by cia wait a minute wait wait

1994
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,920
wait stop

1995
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,600
stop right there

1996
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,440
what what wasn't he allowed to talk

1997
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:33,040
about i don't know because he wasn't

1998
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,719
allowed to talk about it oh you didn't

1999
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,120
see the list oh okay i thought you had

2000
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,280
you you were given a list of things to

2001
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,320
avoid no what he said was he said send

2002
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,120
me a list of your questions i will also

2003
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,120
include a list of the things that i

2004
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:49,199
would like to talk about i will submit

2005
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,040
that directly to cia and then whatever

2006
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:52,560
they come back to me with is what i will

2007
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,920
talk about

2008
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,840
and and so that's what he did and i kept

2009
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,360
asking him like well you got to tell me

2010
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:59,600
like what else he goes oh it's it's i

2011
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,880
really want to talk about it but i can't

2012
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,320
and you know maybe they'll get back to

2013
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,920
me later and you know like i'll be able

2014
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:05,600
to talk about it later but i can't now

2015
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:08,320
and and so we left it at that but but i

2016
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,600
mean

2017
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,760
what does that tell you lance

2018
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,040
i mean what does that tell you that i

2019
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,600
mean there's a whole lot to it if they

2020
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,199
didn't care

2021
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,520
right yeah they would say whatever man

2022
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,360
it's just a film about remote viewing

2023
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,520
we're not even into that

2024
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,760
no if there are issues

2025
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:28,000
that can't be crossed

2026
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:29,600
then there's something else going on

2027
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:32,159
isn't there oh well i asked hal put off

2028
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,360
this question when we were doing the

2029
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:34,960
interview and he said he believed that

2030
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:37,520
probably 70 percent of the work that was

2031
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:40,000
done has not been declassified

2032
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,199
wow

2033
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:43,679
now what about questions uh that you

2034
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:46,159
asked that they didn't answer did you

2035
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,679
have any of that um

2036
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:51,760
not a lot not a lot because because i

2037
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,239
found that the the people that that uh

2038
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:56,080
we spoke with wanted to talk about the

2039
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:57,440
things and we had sort of vetted a lot

2040
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,719
of that ahead of time um but i will say

2041
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:02,480
this that a lot of the the sort of

2042
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:05,280
people involved were so gun shy uh you

2043
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,640
know because of over the years of so

2044
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:08,320
many sort of skeptical attacks and them

2045
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:09,520
sort of being

2046
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,800
unable to talk about this stuff um that

2047
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,560
they're almost afraid to admit the

2048
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,560
enormity of what they'd witnessed you

2049
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,440
know in these programs and and uh you

2050
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:20,960
know not not literally scared like

2051
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:23,280
someone's gonna hurt them but you know

2052
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,080
just

2053
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,920
to openly talk about this it took a lot

2054
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,239
of sort of back and forth and reassuring

2055
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:30,640
that this was going to be a serious look

2056
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,360
at this topic and not just a fluff piece

2057
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:35,360
or a propaganda piece right right or

2058
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,560
something like that well um there was a

2059
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:40,880
a couple of moments because you know kit

2060
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:44,000
and you know you know and hal and and

2061
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,640
russell we know these names dean rayden

2062
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:48,080
you know dean's been on the show you

2063
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,360
know he's a great guy but we've all

2064
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,600
heard from them before but when you pull

2065
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:54,320
in a guy like dale right dale graf or

2066
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,000
skip atwater um charles tart too as well

2067
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,159
was yeah was extraordinary and stephen

2068
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,400
schwartz yes steven schwartz

2069
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,600
mind blowing uh stuff where we haven't

2070
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:07,199
heard from them before

2071
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:11,280
and and dale who ran the program

2072
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,560
and to hear what he had to say it was it

2073
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,480
was for me those were the magical

2074
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:18,560
moments here because these were people

2075
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:21,600
that um we haven't heard from over and

2076
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,719
over again right yeah and you were able

2077
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:27,040
to capture this well you know i i you

2078
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,159
know something that didn't even make it

2079
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:29,920
into the film for the sake of time was

2080
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:32,719
was how dale graf actually

2081
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:35,920
was able to um how they convinced dale

2082
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,639
to even take this to dia and and create

2083
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,360
a program for the army um

2084
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,360
you know russell had approached dia

2085
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:45,199
about doing a contract and the thing is

2086
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,480
we always think of government as this

2087
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,560
monolithic force we think like you go to

2088
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,920
the government you get something stamped

2089
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,360
and then now you're doing a classified

2090
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,159
program but there's different contracts

2091
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,600
within government you can get i can go

2092
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:57,280
to dia and get a contract for remote

2093
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,639
viewing i can go to cia nsa the navy you

2094
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:02,719
know whoever and and so this is part of

2095
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,440
what

2096
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,960
hal and russell would do to basically

2097
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,719
keep food on the table is they would go

2098
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,320
to different you know departments and

2099
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:10,080
different agencies and and then you know

2100
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,760
kind of do their dog and pony show what

2101
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,679
is remote viewing and then they would

2102
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,760
get contracts and the way they did it

2103
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:17,840
with dia this is a story i don't think

2104
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:19,360
has ever been told anywhere because i

2105
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:20,560
have this footage and i haven't released

2106
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:21,760
it it's eventually going to be up on my

2107
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:25,199
youtube channel um dale talked about how

2108
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,159
russell came to him and said okay today

2109
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,920
we're going to be the target and there's

2110
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,400
a remote viewer back in palo alto this

2111
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:34,239
was when i think um dale was at uh

2112
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:36,960
wright-patterson um in in ohio i think

2113
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:39,199
and and um he said we're gonna go on a

2114
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,840
trip and and uh that remote viewer back

2115
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,440
in palo alto is gonna tell us and

2116
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,280
describe the location we're gonna call

2117
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,280
her call her from a pay phone at the

2118
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,520
location and and then and dale was very

2119
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,360
skeptical you know he was like i don't

2120
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,560
believe in any of this stuff i don't

2121
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:53,920
know i mean he just didn't know anything

2122
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,800
about it so they went to some local um

2123
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,440
cave like a cavern with stalactites and

2124
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,960
stalagmites and stuff and they walked

2125
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,360
around for a while and and then you know

2126
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,560
russell looked at his watch and said

2127
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,920
okay i think that the remote view is

2128
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,199
probably done now let's go to the pay

2129
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,360
phone outside and find out if she found

2130
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,560
out where you were

2131
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,480
and and dale right there on the pay

2132
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,520
phone um talked to hella hammett who was

2133
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,280
one of their best remote viewers you

2134
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,440
know who started out as the control

2135
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:20,960
subject who didn't have any psychic

2136
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,800
ability and never done this before you

2137
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,560
know which was uh something that cia

2138
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,760
asked to see

2139
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:27,199
she turned out to be their statistically

2140
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:29,840
best psychic ever

2141
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:32,880
hella verbatim describes the stalagmites

2142
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,440
the stalactites the darkness the the

2143
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,960
fact that they were enveloped by the

2144
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,639
dark and there was a you know water

2145
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,400
dripping and you know all of these

2146
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,800
things that suggested a cavern and then

2147
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:44,320
she drew like all these you know

2148
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,600
pictures kind of cave like and and uh

2149
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:49,360
dale was blown away by that you know he

2150
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:50,719
couldn't understand it and so he said

2151
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:52,000
you know okay we're gonna we're gonna

2152
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,120
keep looking into this and we're gonna

2153
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:55,040
move forward with this and and that was

2154
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,320
the beginning of them working not with

2155
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,199
cia but defense intelligence agency

2156
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,639
which is a completely different program

2157
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,280
and that that grew into the army program

2158
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:05,040
and you know joe mcmonagle and all those

2159
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,560
guys

2160
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:09,040
and that's why i think that

2161
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,560
we were able to get away with this

2162
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,719
documentary is because i think that we

2163
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,840
really actually slipped through the

2164
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,840
cracks because you you talked about like

2165
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:18,000
us submitting questions to cia right

2166
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:18,800
okay

2167
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,880
we submitted it to cia i half expected

2168
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,719
them to shut the whole thing down but

2169
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,400
they didn't and they even approved

2170
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,960
things for ken to talk about that he was

2171
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,960
very surprised about like the fact that

2172
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:31,199
russell and hal had trained

2173
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,280
cia agents at sri who then went back to

2174
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:37,679
work directly for cia

2175
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,679
and and nobody ever knew that nobody

2176
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,440
knows about that you know so so even

2177
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:43,920
within cia they had a separate uh not a

2178
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,320
program but they had remote viewers

2179
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,120
doing this um that then when pat price

2180
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:51,760
came in he worked with them but

2181
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,199
i was surprised that that would even be

2182
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:55,040
released because if they are doing

2183
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:56,000
something you'd think that that's

2184
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,280
something you wouldn't want people to

2185
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,920
know but i think in reality that this is

2186
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,920
no longer housed within cia you know

2187
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,239
this the mainstream cia those people

2188
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,760
probably know nothing about this or

2189
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:07,760
think of about it as an old story out of

2190
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the history books and it probably just

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01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,679
breezed right through some sort of a

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01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,239
process and and got back to ken i think

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01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,960
that this has gone further underground

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01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:19,199
um and and probably it's gone back to

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01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:20,880
the way it was used

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01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,840
by sri because when you had sri they're

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a contractor it's sort of like the black

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01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,280
waterization of esp within government

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01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,199
that's right because now there's lots of

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01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,360
sris there's there's many places that

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01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,800
you can go

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if you're a corporation or a police

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01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,840
department or or whatever and and use

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01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,600
contemporary remote viewers to get stuff

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01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,199
done and and so

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01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,199
you know the cia is no longer trying to

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01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:47,280
prove the ability they did that decades

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01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,840
ago they understood that it was useful

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01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:51,760
they had no idea how it works they

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01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:54,639
didn't care you know and and yet

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01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:55,840
now

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01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:58,239
they can go and probably feed data to

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01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,600
companies that may not even know they're

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01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,840
doing classified work uh and then they

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01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,159
get the feedback back and forth and and

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01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:06,400
you know i just think it's gone further

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01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,800
underground and there's probably no more

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01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,199
congressional oversight and senate you

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01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,280
know oversight and and that kind of a

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01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,080
thing because all of that came from

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01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,400
russell and hal because they already had

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01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,560
the contacts high up in government

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01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:22,800
through their laser work so they went

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01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,960
directly to senators and

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01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,840
you know

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01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:27,199
their house of representatives and

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01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,360
presidential cabinets and they started

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01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,320
this very official top secret program

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01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,600
but like you said

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01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,800
it's cheap

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01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,480
i can you know start a book club on

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01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,080
wednesdays and if i have a really really

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01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,600
talented remote viewer they can do

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01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:41,440
really well that's right that's right

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01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:42,480
and you don't have to have the

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01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,000
infrastructure you don't have to fly

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01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,960
teams overseas no you don't have

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01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:48,800
none of that stuff comes into play you

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01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,199
don't have the logistical nightmares

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01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:53,760
that it comes with uh to try and

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penetrate

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01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,120
a chinese or soviet uh installation it's

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01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,639
nearly impossible

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01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:02,159
you know and you might be able to get it

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01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,960
done

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01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,400
it's going to cost a lot of money and

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01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,040
it's going to take a lot of time whereas

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01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,520
uh remote viewing is instant and you do

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01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,600
it safely here from the united states

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now when we come back after the break

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lance um i want to you can think about

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01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:18,880
this during the break i want to know uh

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01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,360
your favorite uh

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01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,520
part of the movie

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01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,159
the one thing that you learned

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01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,360
um and then we're going to discuss

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sugar grove

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01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:34,320
ah that's right okay so yeah exactly

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so i know right so let's take a break

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right here our guest tonight lance

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01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:40,560
mungia we're discussing his new film

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01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:43,840
that he just released and directed it is

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called third eye spies this is fade to

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black more with lance after this break

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stay with us

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hey

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01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:32,229
welcome back made to black our guest

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01:34:36,629 --> 01:34:33,920
tonight lance mungee i want to thank

2371
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,639
russell targ for uh coming in earlier

2372
01:34:41,669 --> 01:34:38,480
and we're discussing their new

2373
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:41,679
documentary it is called third eye spies

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01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:45,040
it's available on amazon and itunes and

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01:34:48,990 --> 01:34:47,360
you can just go to thirdeyespies.com and

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the links are also over at

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jimmychurchradio.com now lance before

2378
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:53,199
the break i wanted you to think about

2379
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,159
this

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01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:56,480
what what did you learn what was the one

2381
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,480
thing that just blew your mind

2382
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:02,560
what did i learn you know the the thing

2383
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,239
that i sort of

2384
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:06,400
it was more like a confirmation of

2385
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,480
things that i had already sort of

2386
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:10,480
inherently knew

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01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:13,040
um and and to talk about it you sort of

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01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:14,639
leave the the

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01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,880
the realm of science and sort of you

2390
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:18,239
know that kind of reality and you have

2391
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,080
to become almost a poet

2392
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:22,639
and and and that is that you know we are

2393
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,280
really much much more than sort of just

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um skin and bones and and brain and

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01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:30,400
tissue and and and that they're really i

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01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,679
i it changed me as a person frankly to

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01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,920
you know spend so much time working with

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01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:38,000
so many individuals that that have

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01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:39,760
devoted their lives to the study of this

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01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,000
and and not in some sort of a fringy

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01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,239
esoteric way but in in really devoting

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01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:45,920
their lives to it and putting their phds

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01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,320
on the line that kind of a thing and and

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01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:50,400
i walked away from that

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01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,000
recognizing more clearly that we are not

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01:35:59,110 --> 01:35:56,080
confined to our own brain that our

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01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,120
consciousness can really i think exist

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01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,040
outside of our brain and that means that

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01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,679
even when we die you know frankly that

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that um our consciousness continues

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01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:08,480
because energy cannot be destroyed and

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energy um and in your consciousness can

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exist outside of space and time so that

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01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,760
means part of it is still there and i

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01:36:19,110 --> 01:36:17,199
actually think that that even helped me

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01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,120
deal with the recent death of my father

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01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:20,880
you know because he died you know last

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summer

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01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:22,639
and

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i think that you know it's a little more

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01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:28,320
comforting you know to to have a more

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01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:29,600
grounded

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01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,320
scientific understanding of

2424
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,400
these sorts of things that allow you to

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01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,320
kind of be a little more open to a lot

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01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:37,920
of other things and part of that i think

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is

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01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,880
well and there must have been a moment

2429
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:44,480
when you're looking at all of this

2430
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,960
evidence mountains of it and it's all

2431
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,119
clearly depicted in the film where

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01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:51,040
you're looking at all of this where even

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01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:54,400
you step back and had that holy crap

2434
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:55,679
moment

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01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:58,560
and did you include that holy crap

2436
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,280
moment in the film yes i did uh there

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01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:04,080
was actually two um and you know when

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01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:05,840
when i started this we were talking

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01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,239
about history and and i knew that it

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01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,159
would be a fascinating documentary for

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01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,400
me to make because no matter what the

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01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,960
the real story is no matter what i found

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01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:17,199
at the end of this rabbit hole

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01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,239
it happened you know and it was part of

2445
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,199
history and no one was telling the story

2446
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:25,520
it had been relegated to sort of just

2447
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:28,639
conspiracy or uh you know an interesting

2448
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,760
myth or or whatever maybe or maybe not

2449
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,280
no there's no maybe or maybe not about

2450
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:35,280
it all of these events that take place

2451
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,480
in our film actually occurred and and uh

2452
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,719
the history of that alone the history of

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01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,560
both the soviet union and the united

2454
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,119
states um taking these subjects

2455
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,679
seriously enough to devote you know a 20

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01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:50,320
30 year you know span of time to them um

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01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,719
was enough to make the film but

2458
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,199
it was still historical and and um i was

2459
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:58,080
very very hesitant to

2460
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:59,520
um

2461
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:01,119
to do this myself i didn't want to i

2462
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:02,800
didn't want to become a subject during

2463
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,159
the making of the film because i felt

2464
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,159
like that would pollute the film but i

2465
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,080
wanted to see contemporary remote

2466
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,480
viewing i needed to see this with my own

2467
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,800
eyes because if it's that easy if it's

2468
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:15,199
as easy as russell targ says then i

2469
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,199
should be able to capture that on film

2470
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,400
and i remember i went to um irva you

2471
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:22,080
know the international remote viewing

2472
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,520
association conference for the first

2473
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:25,679
time and i and i was going to shoot this

2474
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,639
um audience of probably 200 people

2475
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:30,000
and russell targ was going to lead them

2476
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:31,679
through a remote viewing and i had never

2477
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,000
seen a contemporary remote viewing in

2478
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:36,960
person before and um

2479
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:39,280
in in watching this i'm and and

2480
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,480
russell's always saying everybody's

2481
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:41,840
psychic everybody's psychic and i had

2482
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:44,000
already spoken to several of the people

2483
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,520
in the audience at that point and i knew

2484
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:47,119
that a lot of them had come here for the

2485
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,880
first time they've never done this

2486
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:50,080
before

2487
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,360
you know they some of them barely knew

2488
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:53,520
what removing was and russell got up on

2489
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:55,360
stage and he walked them through how to

2490
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:57,520
do this and he basically said okay

2491
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,440
someone is going to go hide somewhere in

2492
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,760
vegas they're wearing a gopro on around

2493
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:02,960
their chest so we're going to be able to

2494
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:05,280
film that and bring it back later um but

2495
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,880
i want you to just basically close your

2496
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:07,840
eyes

2497
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:10,159
and and imagine where this person it was

2498
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,920
actually paul smith who's a well-known

2499
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,600
remote viewer from the army right where

2500
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,520
is paul smith going to be hiding

2501
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,440
and and um

2502
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:19,679
just whatever the most unexpected images

2503
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,600
are you write that down and and don't

2504
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,360
label it don't name it name it just

2505
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,679
write it down and

2506
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:26,960
paul left

2507
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,199
i went around the room with my camera

2508
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:31,280
and i sort of stood over the shoulders

2509
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:32,800
of all of these different people as they

2510
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:33,520
were

2511
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:35,199
kind of like thinking about it and like

2512
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,639
writing down little impressions that

2513
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,639
they would get in their mind's eye on

2514
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,360
paper and i started to see patterns i

2515
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:43,840
saw triangles i saw lots of fish on

2516
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:47,520
people's paper i saw one person doing a

2517
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,480
coin

2518
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,560
fountain with water coming down somebody

2519
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,320
else doing sort of a staircase with

2520
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:54,400
water coming down and i'm like wow all

2521
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,840
of these people are sort of getting very

2522
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:57,600
similar images like person after person

2523
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,159
after person and and um

2524
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,760
and i thought gee i hope this is right

2525
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,880
or else i'm gonna have to put this in

2526
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,080
the documentary and it's gonna be

2527
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,920
completely wrong but that's okay you

2528
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,920
know if that's the way it goes right and

2529
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,840
and um

2530
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:11,760
literally 20-30 minutes later paul comes

2531
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:13,760
back they plug the camera onto the

2532
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,520
projector and it was an indoor um

2533
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:19,280
bass pro shop with all of these fish

2534
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:22,400
tanks uh with triangular windows like

2535
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:26,159
skylights above and a giant um indoor

2536
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:29,360
waterfall with a coin fountain

2537
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,080
so so i you know and and they counted up

2538
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:34,000
the results probably 80 of the audience

2539
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:35,119
got it right

2540
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:37,520
and and and that that was the blow mind

2541
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:40,400
moment for me yes i realized

2542
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,360
when look it's it's it's an obvious

2543
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,440
thing for me to say right now

2544
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,600
they could have drawn

2545
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:48,960
anything

2546
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,560
you're in vegas why aren't they drawing

2547
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:54,880
like you know uh casino slot machine

2548
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,600
machines right right right

2549
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,000
that that's incredible and that is an

2550
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:02,719
aha moment isn't it it is and i actually

2551
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:05,040
saw it repeated uh twice more actually

2552
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,400
three times because we went to dean

2553
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,639
raiden's lab and we did a really

2554
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:10,719
interesting sort of precognitive remote

2555
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:12,800
viewing with um gail heisen who was one

2556
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,520
of dean rayton's subjects at his lab and

2557
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,960
that's actually up on my youtube channel

2558
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,320
now you can you can see that it's not in

2559
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,080
the film but we did that that was

2560
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:22,400
amazing and in that one we sent out a

2561
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,199
um

2562
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,840
a person with a gopro around their their

2563
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:28,000
neck and um every 15 minutes they were

2564
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:29,520
supposed to just stop somewhere and hang

2565
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,800
out for 10 minutes and then she was

2566
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,199
supposed to you know um describe where

2567
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,280
they were she got some really good hits

2568
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,600
you know um and then the the best one

2569
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:39,280
though um this was much later in the

2570
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,080
process was when laurie williams who who

2571
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,760
laurie williams if you hadn't had her on

2572
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:45,199
your show you totally should she's an

2573
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:47,679
amazing remote viewer and an instructor

2574
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,600
she has an intuitive specialist is her

2575
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,000
company and she was teaching a group of

2576
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,639
russians um in the city where i lived at

2577
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,880
the time which was monrovia california

2578
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,280
um i didn't know lori from adam i get a

2579
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,199
phone call from debra katz who's a

2580
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,440
friend and she she calls me and says hey

2581
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,119
there's going to be a a group of russian

2582
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:07,040
remote viewers in monrovia you should go

2583
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:08,880
film them man

2584
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,520
that's down the street from me man where

2585
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,440
is it where's the phone call i'm in

2586
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,440
burbank oh yeah there we go man we're

2587
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:18,800
gonna have a beer oh lance lance i'm

2588
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,360
ready to end the interview right now

2589
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:23,760
i mean how cool was that so what

2590
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,000
happened well well so so i didn't know

2591
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:28,719
lori i call her up and i say you know um

2592
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:30,400
look this is gonna sound weird but i

2593
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,679
live in monrovia and i'm doing a

2594
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,360
documentary on remote viewing and do you

2595
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,440
mind if i just film your class because i

2596
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,960
thought to my i had said again and again

2597
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,159
i need

2598
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:40,159
something russian in the film because

2599
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:41,679
this is about the soviet union and i

2600
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:43,600
can't go to russia and talk to remote

2601
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,679
viewers there and they they literally

2602
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:47,840
came to me like to within like blocks of

2603
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:49,600
where i lived it was amazing amazing

2604
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,320
synchronicity but but uh i went to her

2605
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:53,760
class and she was so generous you know

2606
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:55,280
her and her husband jim opened up the

2607
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,159
doors for us and just let us in and and

2608
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:00,639
um and and film them

2609
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,000
and um i saw so many amazing remote

2610
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,239
viewers especially again people who had

2611
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,400
not done it before they had come to los

2612
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,800
angeles to learn from lori from russia

2613
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,320
you know um and this was kind of like

2614
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:13,679
this exchange thing that they had been

2615
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:16,159
doing and um

2616
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,080
and one guy you know the guy in the film

2617
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,560
sasha you know um sasha actually wasn't

2618
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,159
a pretty experienced remote viewer he

2619
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,239
does sports betting in in russia you

2620
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,600
know which is also a thing here in the

2621
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,159
states as well and and um

2622
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:31,440
he nailed that target of looking at

2623
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:34,400
uh you know um the target was

2624
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:36,639
apollo 11 and and the moon landing and

2625
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,440
he did this clay sculpture in 3d like

2626
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,960
something out of freaking close

2627
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,560
encounters of the third kind with you

2628
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:44,480
know roy neary like you know making this

2629
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,760
thing you just see him sitting there and

2630
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,199
he's like playing with this ball of clay

2631
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:49,280
and he's making this little tripod thing

2632
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,639
and i even thought as he was doing it

2633
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,679
you know that looks kind of like the

2634
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:54,080
moon and he had no idea that the target

2635
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,960
that had been picked was apollo 11 and

2636
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,760
and he nailed it you know and and so so

2637
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,800
how do you

2638
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,639
explain those kinds of things and lori

2639
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:04,480
actually had a very interesting

2640
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,280
um

2641
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,600
partial explanation in that

2642
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,600
she believes that the more something is

2643
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:11,840
looked at the easier it is to see sure

2644
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,320
and so so she keeps probably 60

2645
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,280
different targets um sealed in you know

2646
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:19,600
folders and and then she randomly picks

2647
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:20,800
from those targets but they're all

2648
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:23,119
targets that some other student at some

2649
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:26,239
other point in time has also viewed and

2650
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:27,920
and she believes that a that makes it

2651
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,400
easier to see and and also even when the

2652
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,639
same student um does the target over a

2653
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:34,800
period of days it's like they're blazing

2654
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:37,280
a path to the target psychically and and

2655
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:40,560
i found that just fascinating well dean

2656
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,360
dean rayden who blows my mind by the way

2657
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,080
i i think he's about as extraordinary of

2658
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:48,960
an individual as there is but dean talks

2659
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:50,560
about that in the film

2660
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,119
and and he you know you have the micro

2661
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:54,800
on the macro side of this right you have

2662
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:56,560
the grandiose side of things where

2663
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:58,159
things are being discovered and you can

2664
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:00,159
name it and open up envelopes there's

2665
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,280
all of that but that's not what is most

2666
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:05,920
fascinating here it's what goes on at

2667
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:09,360
the atomic level where everything is

2668
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,080
connected period and that is what we

2669
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,159
need to focus on here and that's exactly

2670
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:16,320
what you're talking about the more that

2671
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,800
something is talked about more you know

2672
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:20,480
the the atoms

2673
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:23,840
the electric universe is gets excited

2674
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:24,560
right

2675
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,280
and that's exactly what is going on here

2676
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:29,040
when you have a room full of people like

2677
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:32,480
you're saying uh all seeing bass pro

2678
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:35,920
shops well electronically

2679
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,600
everybody there is is exciting what is

2680
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,760
out there right and they're all starting

2681
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,679
to zone in on the same thing and they

2682
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:45,600
don't realize why

2683
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,719
exactly and and it's it's proven again

2684
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:51,520
and again in in various ways um even

2685
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:53,600
when it comes to stuff like pk

2686
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,679
uh when it comes to ufo phenomenon like

2687
01:46:01,590 --> 01:45:58,080
things like ufo summoning um you know

2688
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,600
there's so many different ways that that

2689
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,080
group energy um actually has an effect

2690
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:05,920
even the power of prayer you know it's

2691
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,600
like there's something about when you

2692
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:10,000
focus a lot of consciousness on a given

2693
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,400
topic or thing or place

2694
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,800
that makes it easier to see

2695
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:16,639
you saw it in 911 i had my own

2696
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:18,560
precognitive experience of 9 11. and i

2697
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:19,360
know

2698
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:22,880
of other people claimed that that they

2699
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:25,040
sort of saw that coming you know

2700
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,360
intuitively and it's because it was such

2701
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,679
a big splash in psychic space it made it

2702
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:31,920
very easy to see i'm gonna go even one

2703
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,639
step further and i'll really sort of um

2704
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:36,480
you know plug my film for a moment

2705
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:39,600
because i actually hypothesize and this

2706
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:41,360
is just my own theory

2707
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:42,159
that

2708
01:46:48,790 --> 01:46:47,199
viewings from russell and sri were so

2709
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:48,800
damn good

2710
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:52,239
was because of our film today

2711
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:54,639
because in psychic space there is no

2712
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:55,600
time

2713
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,000
all that matters is that someone

2714
01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,000
somewhere in the history of time and

2715
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:02,000
space is looking at it and looking at it

2716
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:04,320
with a lot of conscious focus so if we

2717
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,239
go make a film right now about stuff

2718
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,639
that was done 30 40 years ago and a

2719
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:10,719
whole bunch of people watch that film

2720
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:12,960
and go wow that scene where where hella

2721
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,199
hammond is uh describing that overpass

2722
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:17,520
is so interesting and it's fascinating

2723
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,639
then why can't helle hammet back in 1974

2724
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,719
use all of that consciousness to better

2725
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:26,239
describe what she has been asked to

2726
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:28,159
describe which is that overpass

2727
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,199
well and going back to dean raiden uh

2728
01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:33,119
where he talks about

2729
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:36,480
the future is just as easy to see with

2730
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:38,960
remote viewing as today

2731
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:41,679
yeah or the past or the past yeah yeah

2732
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:43,199
and but but here's the the kicker and

2733
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,320
the reason i kind of came to that

2734
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:46,960
conclusion was that hella it you know

2735
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,280
russell found literally in his closet

2736
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,360
the original audio tape of hella hammond

2737
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:53,199
who again was first the control subject

2738
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,040
and and uh later one of their best

2739
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,360
remote viewers um

2740
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:59,199
doing her very very first remote viewing

2741
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:01,360
she'd never done it before and and she

2742
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:03,199
described this um

2743
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:04,960
overpass target that hal put off had

2744
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:07,280
been sent out to go um stand on and

2745
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:08,960
nobody knew where he was and she

2746
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,400
perfectly described squares within

2747
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:12,560
squares within squares and you know this

2748
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,719
long conduit kind of thing four stories

2749
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:17,280
up and you know all these details and i

2750
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:18,400
sunk up this

2751
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,000
material for the first time in the edit

2752
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,560
bay and i'm and i'm playing

2753
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:25,360
uh her audio along with now russell uh

2754
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:28,239
you know in you know 2015 you know

2755
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,239
walking up this overpass

2756
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:32,960
and it sounds as if she's describing a

2757
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:35,679
combination of hal and russell because

2758
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,520
she says stuff like there's something

2759
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,440
wrong with hal he's he's going up the

2760
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,520
overpass but he's hunched over it's

2761
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:43,360
almost like he's wearing a backpack and

2762
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,800
he's having a little trouble getting up

2763
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:46,239
the steps he's having to hold on to the

2764
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:48,080
side railing and as i'm playing that

2765
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,400
audio i'm watching russell do exactly

2766
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:52,719
that and and uh you know older russell

2767
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,800
is an older man right and then she says

2768
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:56,159
and there's like an obstruction in the

2769
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,360
middle of the conduit you got to go

2770
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:59,280
around it and

2771
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:01,679
there was an obstruction there it was a

2772
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:02,480
um

2773
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:03,760
like one of those things that you put in

2774
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:05,040
the middle of an overpass so that you

2775
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:06,320
can't ride your bike through it like a

2776
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,560
bike extra obstruction right and and the

2777
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:11,280
thing is i found out that wasn't put in

2778
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,239
until the 90s that she

2779
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:16,960
yeah that's crazy that's crazy

2780
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:19,280
i'm with you i believe that what you are

2781
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,520
saying right now is exactly uh how it

2782
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,440
went down or how

2783
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:25,040
how um

2784
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,080
uh

2785
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,560
the the past can be influenced by the

2786
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,800
future there's no question about it yeah

2787
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:32,239
and i want to

2788
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,119
okay

2789
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:35,840
we i let this show get away from me i

2790
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,360
always do that um i want to discuss

2791
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,119
uh sugar grove

2792
01:49:44,709 --> 01:49:43,040
and which is going to take us into the

2793
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:44,719
break and we'll continue talking about

2794
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:46,560
sugar grove after

2795
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:49,760
which um is a very

2796
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:52,400
small part of the film

2797
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,760
but it's an extraordinary story and a

2798
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:58,320
great setup for the rest of the film

2799
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:01,199
because of uh a couple of things one

2800
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:04,239
it was perceived as a failure that was

2801
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,320
that was the thing that was that was the

2802
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,639
best for me where

2803
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:10,960
and then the fact that it was

2804
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:13,679
the most extraordinary successful remote

2805
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:15,360
viewing like ever in the history of

2806
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:16,400
everything

2807
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:19,920
uh was an accident that came out later

2808
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,639
um which sounds pretty trippy for me to

2809
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:24,560
set up like that but that's exactly the

2810
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,119
case with sugar grove isn't it

2811
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:29,040
it is you know sugar grove actually was

2812
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:30,880
one of the first things that i had read

2813
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,199
in in mind reach you know russell's you

2814
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:35,840
know book and and and uh this was sort

2815
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:37,760
of the thing that caught my attention

2816
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,520
first as a filmmaker and especially

2817
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:41,119
somebody who has done narrative films in

2818
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,119
the past and sort of still thinks about

2819
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:45,119
maybe doing some of these stories as a

2820
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:46,080
as a

2821
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:48,800
bigger narrative film you know is it's

2822
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:50,320
fascinating

2823
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:52,320
it's almost like the psychic dirty dozen

2824
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,840
like you know breaking into this like

2825
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:56,239
impregnable you know fortress at nsa and

2826
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:58,400
then leaving with secret documents you

2827
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:01,119
know um it really is a that's exactly

2828
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:02,719
what it was but that's exactly what it

2829
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:03,520
was

2830
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:07,679
sugar grove

2831
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,239
sent chills down the spine

2832
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,719
of every intelligence agency of the us

2833
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:14,560
government that's right now we have

2834
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:16,880
three things that come into play we have

2835
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:19,520
uh what sugar grove is and it's a place

2836
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,159
we'll talk about that in a second uh a

2837
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,719
virtual like you just said an nsa

2838
01:51:29,669 --> 01:51:27,520
break-in which was awesome

2839
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:29,679
and then operation pool queue

2840
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,400
um and we have map coordinate viewing

2841
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:34,480
which was something that was

2842
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,360
uh

2843
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:37,199
just started

2844
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:38,800
at sri

2845
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,679
and all of these things played out now

2846
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:43,679
let's start here

2847
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:46,639
what is sugar grove the place

2848
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:50,639
sugar grove is about a 100 mile radius

2849
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,360
in

2850
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:53,440
that

2851
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:55,119
now has been sort of decommissioned it's

2852
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:57,840
no longer in play but for many many

2853
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:59,760
years sugar grove

2854
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,239
was so secretive that within a hundred

2855
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,800
miles of the facility in every direction

2856
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:07,040
it was a radio free zone you could not

2857
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:09,040
use walkie-talkies you could not use you

2858
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,480
know radios

2859
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:12,000
it was before cell phones at the time

2860
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:13,360
but i think even after cell phones came

2861
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:14,639
out you still couldn't use them within

2862
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:18,400
this area and and the reason was that it

2863
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:19,360
is a

2864
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:22,320
radio telescope facility

2865
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,880
the most classified nsa facility at that

2866
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:26,719
time during the cold war

2867
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,199
designed to pick up transmissions from

2868
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,520
russian satellites and um and probably

2869
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:33,199
other things that are still classified

2870
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,480
that i can't even

2871
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:36,960
fathom and and

2872
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,199
basically um

2873
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:41,040
nobody really knew what sugar grove was

2874
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,320
at the time

2875
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:44,480
and and that's what it basically was

2876
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:45,440
so

2877
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:49,119
what uh what ends up happening

2878
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:53,280
is that map coordinate viewing which is

2879
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:56,400
what it states you get the coordinates

2880
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,480
and you work off that and and what is at

2881
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,040
that coordinate and that's what happens

2882
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:05,280
here right well yeah i mean coordinate

2883
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,040
remote viewing was something that that

2884
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:09,440
um sri figured out you know they figured

2885
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:11,679
out that if they just gave a remote

2886
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,000
viewer uh latitude and longitude

2887
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,320
anywhere on the planet that that remote

2888
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,840
viewer could then zero in on that

2889
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:19,840
latitude and longitude and describe

2890
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,639
exactly what was there and and so when

2891
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,960
kit green heard about this at cia he

2892
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:26,400
kind of went what

2893
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:28,000
you can do what

2894
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:29,920
you can see anywhere on the planet just

2895
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,320
using coordinates and and russell said

2896
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:33,760
yes that's what we're doing and we're

2897
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:35,119
doing it very successfully they've done

2898
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,960
a lot of early trials with it already

2899
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:38,320
and and so

2900
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,679
at this point they didn't have full

2901
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:41,520
funding from cia

2902
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,480
and

2903
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:44,080
kit said okay look

2904
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:47,280
we still think this is a bunch of bs

2905
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:49,840
but if you can prove this then you know

2906
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,719
we're going to really fund you so

2907
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,239
here's some coordinates and he got these

2908
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,560
coordinates from a buddy of his uh kit

2909
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,040
told me that the guy was a um

2910
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:01,280
like a satellite analyst you know that

2911
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:03,040
dealt with maps and you know looking at

2912
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,639
satellite imagery and analyzing what he

2913
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:07,199
saw and uh and he just asked this guy

2914
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,199
you know look just give me something

2915
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,960
that you know really well

2916
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:12,320
um i don't even want to know what it is

2917
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:14,000
just just give me something and i'll

2918
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:15,440
give it to them and we'll see what they

2919
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:17,119
can come up with and the guy comes back

2920
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,000
and says well they're never going to

2921
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:20,320
guess what this is you know so

2922
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,719
kit passes on the coordinates

2923
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:25,199
and and at the time they had just heard

2924
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:26,639
from

2925
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:29,840
a remote viewer by the name of pat price

2926
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:31,280
now pat price was a burbank police

2927
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,920
commissioner in your your hometown

2928
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:35,440
you know he

2929
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:38,239
was known as a man who could find things

2930
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,400
for the other detectives you know he was

2931
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,239
he would often use his intuition to help

2932
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:44,400
the other detectives on cases and and

2933
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:46,000
he'd heard about sri i mean they had at

2934
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:47,840
that point published the nature magazine

2935
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:50,000
um you know thing and and they did had a

2936
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:51,199
little bit of publicity in the public

2937
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:52,800
realm so he had reached out to be a

2938
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:54,880
subject and and the very first thing he

2939
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:56,960
was tasked with was sugar grove

2940
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:58,480
um hal just said okay well you know

2941
01:55:01,589 --> 01:54:59,599
we'll see how he does with coordinate

2942
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:01,599
remote viewing and they also gave it to

2943
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,639
their very known remote viewer and very

2944
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:06,400
accurate move your ingo swan who is the

2945
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:09,599
father of remote viewing really and

2946
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:11,760
basically both of them came back with

2947
01:55:16,830 --> 01:55:14,480
very similar descriptions of

2948
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:16,840
missile silos underground uh you know

2949
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,159
facility uh guard tower yeah guard

2950
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:22,320
towers aluminum doors that roll up i

2951
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:23,440
mean all this stuff it's right in the

2952
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,199
transcript and what's really interesting

2953
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:27,280
is that the way they both did it and you

2954
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,199
can actually read the raw transcripts

2955
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:31,119
it's it's like google earth you know

2956
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:33,280
they they like pat price describes it as

2957
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:34,960
okay so i'm starting off at about five

2958
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,080
thousand feet um i see forest i see

2959
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:40,800
trees i see i see um you know roads um

2960
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,719
there's a city off to the left um

2961
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:44,080
there's like an old civil war

2962
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:46,480
battlefield over here you know there's a

2963
01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:48,320
statue you know but i'm going to zoom

2964
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:50,239
down now and and then now i'm looking at

2965
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:52,239
a facility you know here's this um you

2966
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:54,880
know army jeeps and accordion doors now

2967
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,800
i'm zooming down into the underground

2968
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,880
levels of this facility oh look there's

2969
01:56:01,750 --> 01:56:00,400
a room with filo cabinets i'm going to

2970
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:01,760
stick my head in the filing cabinet and

2971
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:04,480
see what i see i see names you know top

2972
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:08,320
secret uh you know um hey fork okay

2973
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,960
we're gonna come back to that part after

2974
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:12,960
the break we we've got to build this up

2975
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,280
a little bit lance but they're

2976
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:18,000
because it's it's it's extraordinary but

2977
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:21,360
there but the letdown was

2978
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:24,080
uh they came back with after looking at

2979
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:26,320
all of these details and everything

2980
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:27,920
um somebody said i gave you the

2981
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:29,440
coordinates to

2982
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,400
my log cabin that's right that's right

2983
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,400
you know kit gets all this back in in

2984
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:36,480
the mail through an open channel

2985
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:38,000
and and he gives it to his buddy and his

2986
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,119
buddy just says i don't know this is a

2987
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:40,960
bunch of gibberish you know like this is

2988
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,480
that's nothing i gave you the accordance

2989
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,159
to my cabin out in the woods

2990
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:47,360
and and uh um so kit basically thought

2991
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,800
the whole thing was a bust at that point

2992
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that's right it was a failed experiment

2993
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which i had said earlier which is the

2994
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extraordinary part of this entire sugar

2995
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grove case

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in that they do all the testing kit

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comes back if they find out that the

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coordinates are actually of a log cabin

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where uh pat and and ingo did this

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incredible

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layout overhead topographical map and

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layout where they described all of these

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buildings and everything else and radar

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dishes and it turns out it's supposed to

3005
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be a log cabin at that point was kit

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ready to pull up stakes and fold up the

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camp um he was because he figured this

3008
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was completely unreliable these guys had

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been touted as sri's you know best heavy

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hitters you know he thought that they

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were really kind of on to something he

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knew that they had done some really

3013
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great earlier experiments this wasn't

3014
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the first experiment he'd taken place

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with but but the fact that they got it

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so wrong basically made him say ah you

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know maybe there's just nothing to this

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i don't know i don't know why it didn't

3019
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work um

3020
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but what struck him

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was that both of them

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got exactly the wrong information they

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drew the same thing and we'll take a

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break right here our guest tonight lance

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mcgee we're talking about his new film

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3137
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welcome back fade to black

3138
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i guess tonight lance mujia we're

3139
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talking about his new film it is called

3140
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third eye spies it is available on

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amazon and itunes

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tomorrow nights rizvurk is here we're

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going to talk about his new book the

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simulation hypothesis and wednesday

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night it's jj and desiree her talk and

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we'll be talking about giza now lance

3147
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:42,400
continuing the sugar grove story

3148
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:43,280
uh

3149
02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:44,080
it's

3150
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:47,520
the one thing that kit was uh kit green

3151
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:50,000
uh was

3152
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:50,880
i

3153
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:55,199
where

3154
02:03:58,229 --> 02:03:56,960
uh ingo

3155
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:58,239
um

3156
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:01,040
had uh uh i'm sorry i'm i'm brain

3157
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:03,520
freezing right now that's okay i mean

3158
02:04:11,669 --> 02:04:07,760
and pat price yes had uh drawn the same

3159
02:04:14,070 --> 02:04:11,679
map and had described the same things

3160
02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:14,080
what happens next well first of all let

3161
02:04:17,109 --> 02:04:15,840
me just remind everybody listening to

3162
02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:17,119
this that

3163
02:04:19,830 --> 02:04:18,560
they weren't together it's not like they

3164
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:19,840
could cheat and look off each other's

3165
02:04:24,310 --> 02:04:21,760
papers and that kind of a thing they

3166
02:04:25,589 --> 02:04:24,320
actually you know um were in done

3167
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:25,599
separately you know they were

3168
02:04:29,910 --> 02:04:28,639
interviewed separately for this and um

3169
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:29,920
basically

3170
02:04:33,270 --> 02:04:31,760
russell just sort of pointed that out to

3171
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:33,280
kit you know he said you know it's

3172
02:04:36,629 --> 02:04:34,960
interesting that both of these guys got

3173
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:36,639
the same thing and kit said yeah that is

3174
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:38,639
that is interesting and and so he

3175
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:40,960
decided to sort of take a weekend trip

3176
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:42,480
out to his buddy's cabin you know and

3177
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:45,280
take his family out there and um as he

3178
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:46,960
was getting out there to this cabin he

3179
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:48,639
sort of noticed that

3180
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:50,480
there's this giant radar dish out in the

3181
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distance

3182
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:54,400
and you know what's that um and so he

3183
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:55,920
decides to

3184
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:57,599
you know drive over there to this sort

3185
02:05:02,390 --> 02:05:00,159
of facility and he sees a guard tower

3186
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:02,400
and behind the guard tower he sees you

3187
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:04,239
know a little big aluminum doors you

3188
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:06,880
know rolled up with jeeps and stuff like

3189
02:05:12,310 --> 02:05:09,760
that and he sees um all of this crazy

3190
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:12,320
stuff and and then he goes okay

3191
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:14,400
well you know maybe there's something to

3192
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:16,320
this let me just send all of this

3193
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:18,000
information to

3194
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:19,760
i'll find out whose facility this is and

3195
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:20,800
then i'll just send him the information

3196
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:23,440
turns out it was nsa so he turns so he

3197
02:05:27,109 --> 02:05:25,440
sends that stuff to nsa

3198
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:27,119
next thing you know

3199
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:31,840
nsa fbi his superiors at cia are in his

3200
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:34,960
office in virginia saying what the heck

3201
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:36,320
are you doing

3202
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:38,159
spying on the nsa with psychics in

3203
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:40,560
california and he's like wait wait whoa

3204
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:42,639
whoa we got to talk to them and and so

3205
02:05:46,629 --> 02:05:45,280
they basically pulled russell and hal in

3206
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,639
kind of like going into the principal's

3207
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:48,480
office and it's like you guys have been

3208
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:51,119
naughty what are you doing

3209
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:53,199
and you know that was basically the

3210
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:54,560
beginning where russell and hal

3211
02:05:59,669 --> 02:05:56,560
basically said well you know we can keep

3212
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:59,679
doing this if you want and and uh well

3213
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:02,000
and they had to say look you guys wanted

3214
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:02,960
proof

3215
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:05,840
you you give us uh coordinates we don't

3216
02:06:09,270 --> 02:06:07,760
know what the coordinates are we saw

3217
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:09,280
what we saw

3218
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:11,440
we didn't know this is an uh a

3219
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:15,040
completely top secret nsa facility that

3220
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:17,679
nobody knows about in a location

3221
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:19,199
that doesn't even have radio

3222
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:20,880
transmissions in it

3223
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:21,840
and

3224
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:24,880
we found the location what more proof do

3225
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:25,920
you need

3226
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:27,760
well this is actually everything we've

3227
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:29,599
set up to this point is just set up

3228
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:31,760
because that all of that wasn't really

3229
02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:35,920
what got the cia oh no no no no okay

3230
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:37,040
it was

3231
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:39,280
operation pool queue

3232
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:42,239
right um pat price claims that he

3233
02:06:47,589 --> 02:06:44,960
psychically stuck his head inside filing

3234
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:47,599
cabinets buried four floors down

3235
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:50,000
and he and some names just popped into

3236
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,400
his head and so he wrote them down

3237
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:55,199
operation um you know hay fork uh you

3238
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:56,560
know pool cue

3239
02:07:01,350 --> 02:06:58,480
uh you know rack up all of these

3240
02:07:03,510 --> 02:07:01,360
different pool names and it turns out

3241
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:03,520
that these were all

3242
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:05,119
classified

3243
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:07,840
special access projects the names were

3244
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:09,199
classified

3245
02:07:13,270 --> 02:07:10,800
nobody was supposed to know that

3246
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:13,280
information and yet pat price pulled it

3247
02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:15,760
out of thin air and that

3248
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:16,960
is the thing

3249
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,599
that freaked everybody out because now

3250
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:21,840
it's not about looking at a house or a

3251
02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:22,880
building

3252
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:26,800
or troops or missiles but you can

3253
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:29,920
actually read what's on a piece of paper

3254
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:32,560
that's right and and now traditionally

3255
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:34,239
reading is sort of the hardest thing

3256
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:36,639
that that a a remote viewer can do it's

3257
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,360
very hard to get analytically logical

3258
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:41,520
information but pat price could do that

3259
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:43,360
so he was sort of one in a million or

3260
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:46,719
maybe even more than a million and and

3261
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:47,840
this

3262
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:49,840
just basically stunned the entire

3263
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:52,159
intelligence community and i talked to

3264
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:53,840
ken cress at length about this that you

3265
02:07:58,470 --> 02:07:56,400
know he and everybody else at cia was

3266
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:58,480
sort of stunned that anybody could pull

3267
02:08:01,830 --> 02:07:59,760
up this information because what it

3268
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:01,840
means is there's this massive security

3269
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,400
hole that nobody is even thinking about

3270
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:06,159
nobody's safe

3271
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:06,960
right

3272
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:09,040
nobody well it's one thing to think

3273
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:11,920
about the russians and or the chinese

3274
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:14,079
and how they would freak out about this

3275
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:16,400
but that means even here in the united

3276
02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:18,880
states there isn't anything private

3277
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:20,159
anymore

3278
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:21,840
well there's already nothing private

3279
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:24,560
anymore anyway just because you know if

3280
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:25,840
they really wanted to i'm sure they

3281
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:27,440
could be listening to your phone

3282
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:29,119
conversations they could be you know

3283
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,800
doing all kinds of things but this is an

3284
02:08:36,149 --> 02:08:33,280
asset that goes much deeper than even

3285
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,159
that because you you literally have no

3286
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:38,560
hiding place from this and and actually

3287
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:40,000
a lot of the work that was done in

3288
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:42,719
government later much later in the army

3289
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:44,320
was counter intelligence trying to

3290
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:46,079
figure out how you stop something like

3291
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:47,280
this

3292
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:52,000
to pat price i mean ultimately we know

3293
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:54,000
that it cost him his life

3294
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:56,719
but at this stage of the game what did

3295
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:58,239
it do to pat price and how were they

3296
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,920
looking at him

3297
02:09:03,109 --> 02:09:01,199
well first of all i want to say that i

3298
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:03,119
think pat price just based upon all of

3299
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:05,280
the the anecdotal evidence and the

3300
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:06,639
review the interviews from different

3301
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,320
people that knew him i think he really

3302
02:09:12,470 --> 02:09:10,320
did consider himself sort of a patriot

3303
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,480
you know he he was a police officer i

3304
02:09:16,149 --> 02:09:13,920
mean you know police officers generally

3305
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:16,159
have a sense of honor and responsibility

3306
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:18,079
and so i think that that pat took what

3307
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:20,480
he was doing very seriously and and i

3308
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:22,639
think he was you know just super

3309
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:24,719
thrilled to be um

3310
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:27,119
sort of all of the sudden the darling of

3311
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:29,440
both sri and cia

3312
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:31,920
and but the problem is and i got this

3313
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:34,079
directly from from ken

3314
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,280
that cia never trusted sri cia doesn't

3315
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:39,520
ever really trust anybody i don't think

3316
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:41,679
and and so they

3317
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:44,320
were always sort of suspicious

3318
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:46,880
that somehow they were still being duped

3319
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:48,159
they didn't know i mean could this guy

3320
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:49,679
be you know have inside information from

3321
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:51,920
nsa and even i actually asked that

3322
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:53,520
question and and i actually did some

3323
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,520
research just to make sure that that

3324
02:09:59,910 --> 02:09:57,599
those projects were special access

3325
02:10:01,270 --> 02:09:59,920
projects that were contemporary and and

3326
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:01,280
not old that somebody could have just

3327
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:03,040
pulled out of a hat and and you know

3328
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:04,960
given to him as as second-hand

3329
02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:07,440
information you know it but it was so

3330
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:10,800
puzzling to them and and you know they

3331
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:12,639
may have trusted hal a little more than

3332
02:10:16,709 --> 02:10:15,360
they trusted russell because russell was

3333
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,719
at his heart

3334
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,480
um a true

3335
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:20,880
scientist in the best sense in that he

3336
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:23,599
really wanted to publish this stuff and

3337
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:25,360
and hal was a real scientist as well i

3338
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:27,280
mean every bit as much as russell but

3339
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,159
hal had been involved with intelligence

3340
02:10:34,229 --> 02:10:32,880
for a long time he had been in uh naval

3341
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:34,239
intelligence and

3342
02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:36,800
you know so so he was more of a career

3343
02:10:41,189 --> 02:10:39,280
intelligence guy than than russell was

3344
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:41,199
and and i think that

3345
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:42,880
ken even said blatantly he said you know

3346
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:44,239
we didn't really trust russell you know

3347
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:46,320
we didn't know if i mean he had all of

3348
02:10:48,870 --> 02:10:47,760
the clearances there was no official

3349
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:48,880
reason not to trust him but when you're

3350
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:51,440
talking about something so incredible

3351
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:54,320
as as being able to read documents on a

3352
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:57,119
you know nsa agent's desk or locked away

3353
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,639
in a filing cabinet

3354
02:11:02,550 --> 02:11:00,239
you know you have to look at every

3355
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:02,560
option and and so

3356
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:04,320
you know on the one hand they started

3357
02:11:08,310 --> 02:11:07,199
funding sri and on the other hand cia

3358
02:11:09,750 --> 02:11:08,320
started to look at them very

3359
02:11:13,510 --> 02:11:09,760
suspiciously

3360
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:13,520
dean raiden uh on this show and also i

3361
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:15,760
believe he he talks about this a little

3362
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:18,960
bit in the documentary and that he was

3363
02:11:23,350 --> 02:11:21,920
always fascinated with magic and

3364
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:23,360
deception

3365
02:11:27,109 --> 02:11:26,000
that's right and so

3366
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:27,119
the

3367
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:30,960
when you get into esp and parapsychology

3368
02:11:35,189 --> 02:11:32,400
and pk

3369
02:11:37,669 --> 02:11:35,199
uh and certainly remote viewing

3370
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:37,679
that when you're coming at it from the

3371
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:40,400
nsa or the cia or the dia and them

3372
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:42,320
coming back in

3373
02:11:47,189 --> 02:11:45,679
they have to be aware of that uh there

3374
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:47,199
could be some deception here

3375
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:48,560
intentionally

3376
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:50,480
uh for a lot of different reasons one of

3377
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:53,040
them could be monetary gain right

3378
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:55,520
and sure or or planting a soviet agent

3379
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:58,079
within their their ranks the con right

3380
02:12:03,189 --> 02:12:00,560
the long play right right and that's

3381
02:12:04,310 --> 02:12:03,199
really what ultimately is going on here

3382
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:04,320
and then when you have somebody like

3383
02:12:09,589 --> 02:12:06,560
dean rayden who is a magician

3384
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,599
and a good one right well he would know

3385
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:12,159
how to it's not what dean is about i'm

3386
02:12:16,629 --> 02:12:14,639
not suggesting that but it's exactly

3387
02:12:20,069 --> 02:12:16,639
what they were suspicious of

3388
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:20,079
um that's right which is uh being played

3389
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:22,000
and that this was just something

3390
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:26,079
elaborate uh to get one over on uh the

3391
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:27,280
agencies

3392
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:29,040
absolutely and and you know the cia

3393
02:12:33,109 --> 02:12:31,280
actually employed magicians you know

3394
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:33,119
like there there were undercover they

3395
02:12:36,069 --> 02:12:34,400
did it all the time

3396
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:36,079
they they had to

3397
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:38,719
do the exact same thing to the soviets

3398
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:42,239
or to uh to germany and world war ii it

3399
02:12:46,629 --> 02:12:44,000
was sleight of hand and they had to do

3400
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:46,639
it all the time yeah and and and they

3401
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:49,679
they um you know and russell by the way

3402
02:12:53,990 --> 02:12:51,760
uh was a child magician who did mental

3403
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:54,000
magic on the stage and and that led him

3404
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,880
to

3405
02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:56,800
um realize when he would do mental magic

3406
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:58,079
on a stage sometimes he would guess

3407
02:13:01,430 --> 02:12:59,920
things that turned out to be scarily

3408
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:01,440
accurate that was his first

3409
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:03,440
experience with the sp and and i think

3410
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:05,599
that the fact that somebody like dean or

3411
02:13:08,069 --> 02:13:06,639
russell

3412
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:08,079
or someone like that obviously is

3413
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:09,840
attracted to magic because magic is

3414
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:11,440
about the mysterious and what we don't

3415
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:13,599
understand but it also makes them really

3416
02:13:17,510 --> 02:13:15,599
good researchers because it allows them

3417
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:17,520
to understand how they can be tricked

3418
02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:19,679
and and you can do a lot of things i

3419
02:13:22,950 --> 02:13:21,040
know the techniques i know about cold

3420
02:13:24,149 --> 02:13:22,960
readings i know you can you know you can

3421
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,159
sort of throw out some general

3422
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:26,320
statements and watch body language uh if

3423
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:28,000
you're doing remote viewing and somebody

3424
02:13:31,990 --> 02:13:29,679
across the room is writing something you

3425
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:32,000
could maybe be an expert in in

3426
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:34,320
handwriting or how they are able to pen

3427
02:13:37,589 --> 02:13:35,520
this and then

3428
02:13:39,030 --> 02:13:37,599
wind up copying what they're writing you

3429
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:39,040
know so so they took all of these things

3430
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:40,800
into account you know they weren't they

3431
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:42,159
weren't foolish about the way they were

3432
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:43,520
doing any of this stuff it was a

3433
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:46,320
completely legitimate scientific lab and

3434
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:48,159
and i think that

3435
02:13:51,830 --> 02:13:49,840
that that actually you know the

3436
02:13:53,430 --> 02:13:51,840
experience of magic you know another

3437
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:53,440
interesting thing about magic

3438
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:55,520
is that a lot of times people who are

3439
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:56,639
doing

3440
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:58,480
real esp work

3441
02:14:02,709 --> 02:14:00,960
it's about belief and and sometimes i

3442
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:02,719
think even going back to studying you

3443
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:04,239
know the shamans and the ancient

3444
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:06,560
cultures and stuff you'd have the mystic

3445
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,480
who would sort of augment whatever he

3446
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:10,639
was trying to do with psychic abilities

3447
02:14:14,149 --> 02:14:12,719
with practical magic

3448
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:14,159
you know gunpowder or something going

3449
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:16,560
off because the belief in his audience

3450
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:18,079
actually somehow made whatever he was

3451
02:14:22,149 --> 02:14:19,679
doing more powerful that's what they

3452
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:22,159
believed anyway and and so did pat price

3453
02:14:25,990 --> 02:14:23,760
and and pat

3454
02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:26,000
uh with all the success that he had at

3455
02:14:32,550 --> 02:14:27,360
sri

3456
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:32,560
the cia and it's his dream gig he's a

3457
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:34,239
happy guy right

3458
02:14:39,830 --> 02:14:36,800
well yeah in a sense because what

3459
02:14:42,470 --> 02:14:39,840
happened was um

3460
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:42,480
was very much shaken by what pat price

3461
02:14:46,950 --> 02:14:44,960
had done and um they did a few more

3462
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:46,960
things directly with sri and then

3463
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:48,960
basically internally cia had a

3464
02:14:53,750 --> 02:14:51,360
conversation that went something like we

3465
02:14:55,750 --> 02:14:53,760
can't trust these guys we can't monitor

3466
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:55,760
them all the way out in california so

3467
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:57,199
basically let's just shut down the

3468
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:59,520
contract and let's take their best guy

3469
02:15:03,830 --> 02:15:01,599
and sequester him

3470
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:03,840
you know so they basically ended the sri

3471
02:15:08,310 --> 02:15:06,000
contract this was still in the 70s

3472
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:08,320
and and then they basically took pat

3473
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:11,520
price put him on a farm in virginia

3474
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:15,040
and monitored him 24 7. and russell went

3475
02:15:18,470 --> 02:15:16,719
out there to visit him and he had like

3476
02:15:21,109 --> 02:15:18,480
you know guards off in the periphery

3477
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:21,119
watching what he was doing you know this

3478
02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:23,440
guy was doing daily work for cia in

3479
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,599
virginia and i have the newspaper

3480
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:27,599
article that announced that he was

3481
02:15:32,870 --> 02:15:30,000
moving to virginia to become a coal mine

3482
02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:32,880
manager at some ranch and he was going

3483
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:34,960
to oversee the farm and the coal mines

3484
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:36,639
and stuff it was all a cover you know

3485
02:15:39,430 --> 02:15:38,400
positioned by cia

3486
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:39,440
and

3487
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:40,719
from there

3488
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:43,760
he became a spike expi for cia and that

3489
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:44,880
was it

3490
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:45,679
so

3491
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,320
what uh

3492
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:50,400
yeah let's go ahead and disclose it what

3493
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:52,000
was it that

3494
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:54,400
uh that last project that

3495
02:15:57,669 --> 02:15:56,320
uh might have gotten him into some

3496
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,679
trouble

3497
02:16:02,310 --> 02:16:00,000
well you know so

3498
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:02,320
basically what happened was

3499
02:16:06,149 --> 02:16:04,800
ken cress had also been sending out ci

3500
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:06,159
agents to

3501
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:08,800
sri under the guise of monitoring and

3502
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:10,480
and with the real goal of training how

3503
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:12,000
to do remote viewing

3504
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:14,159
and those people there were at least two

3505
02:16:19,030 --> 02:16:17,040
of them went back to cia and had started

3506
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:19,040
sort of informally doing remote viewings

3507
02:16:23,350 --> 02:16:21,599
directly within cia and and ken was very

3508
02:16:25,189 --> 02:16:23,360
surprised to find that they were getting

3509
02:16:26,950 --> 02:16:25,199
really good results and that they

3510
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:26,960
had sort of pinpointed some things that

3511
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:28,560
cia wanted to know

3512
02:16:33,349 --> 02:16:30,400
and pat

3513
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:33,359
was given harder and harder tasks within

3514
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:35,519
cia at this point um nothing to do with

3515
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:38,240
sri uh you know as a kind of a

3516
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:39,599
demonstration of ability because they

3517
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:40,800
were really trying to figure out if he

3518
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,880
was for real and

3519
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,800
what the final one was he was asked to

3520
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:46,559
look at a libyan embassy

3521
02:16:51,190 --> 02:16:48,800
and and uh determine where the code room

3522
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:51,200
within the embassy was and

3523
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:52,559
we don't know if he actually read any

3524
02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:58,389
determined where the code room was and

3525
02:17:01,910 --> 02:17:00,319
there was an actual real team of cia

3526
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:01,920
agents that had actually had to break

3527
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:04,559
into that facility and were intimately

3528
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:07,200
familiar with details from it pat got

3529
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:09,200
all of those details and then outmatched

3530
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:10,960
them with the information that he

3531
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:13,200
gathered in that facility and then he

3532
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:14,800
comes back with

3533
02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:16,559
information about what the libyans are

3534
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:19,439
doing in a certain part of their desert

3535
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,359
with the terrorist training camp and

3536
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:22,880
people speaking chinese and other

3537
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:24,399
languages and

3538
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,639
cia knew nothing about this

3539
02:17:29,669 --> 02:17:28,319
and and then they said okay well you

3540
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:29,679
know point the satellite in the libyan

3541
02:17:32,790 --> 02:17:31,200
desert where he says to look you know

3542
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:32,800
let's look to talk to some of the other

3543
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:34,080
human agents that we have wandering

3544
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,160
around is there any validity to this and

3545
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:38,880
then all the information came back yes

3546
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:39,760
and

3547
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:41,040
there really was a terrorist camp

3548
02:17:45,429 --> 02:17:43,120
exactly where he sat and

3549
02:17:46,389 --> 02:17:45,439
four months later you know pat price

3550
02:17:47,910 --> 02:17:46,399
actually i don't even think it was four

3551
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:47,920
months i think his entire time there was

3552
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:49,840
four months i think it was days later

3553
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:51,599
pat price was dead

3554
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:53,679
and

3555
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:54,639
how

3556
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:56,639
this is what i find really interesting

3557
02:18:02,070 --> 02:17:59,679
um how did he die

3558
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:02,080
that is a big subject of debate

3559
02:18:04,549 --> 02:18:02,960
um

3560
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,559
because

3561
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:06,399
he did have a heart condition he could

3562
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:07,679
have just died of a heart attack you

3563
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:11,200
know and um he claims he claimed as you

3564
02:18:14,790 --> 02:18:12,080
know

3565
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:14,800
um this was happening that uh he was

3566
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:16,160
suffering from food poisoning or some

3567
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:17,519
kind of a poisoning he felt he'd been

3568
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:20,479
poisoned um

3569
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:21,760
some people think the russians killed

3570
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:23,519
him you know other people think he died

3571
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:25,200
of a heart attack some people think the

3572
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:28,000
cia killed him you know we don't know

3573
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:31,760
and if this is where it gets really good

3574
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:34,639
what happened to his body

3575
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:36,479
you paid close attention to the drug

3576
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:39,040
man this is the most fascinating and see

3577
02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:43,040
this is lance um i'm not blowing smoke

3578
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:46,240
the film does not hold back

3579
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:48,880
okay you lay it all out there there's no

3580
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:50,960
teaser material here

3581
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:53,359
for somebody that is not only interested

3582
02:18:58,309 --> 02:18:56,080
in the subject but that may want to know

3583
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:58,319
what really goes on in washington or the

3584
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:01,120
three letter agencies with real people

3585
02:19:06,230 --> 02:19:04,319
that uh everything is presented here

3586
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,240
right and you do a really good job of

3587
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,160
that that being said

3588
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:10,559
what happened to his body lance

3589
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:12,160
well first of all i think that that's

3590
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:15,280
still in contention but um

3591
02:19:19,349 --> 02:19:17,200
according to kit green

3592
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:19,359
uh basically his body was taken to a

3593
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:21,280
hospital in las vegas

3594
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:23,359
and

3595
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:24,880
was cremated

3596
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:27,920
before they even notified his wife

3597
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:33,270
you know and the question for that would

3598
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:34,479
be why

3599
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:36,960
also and i want your answer to that kid

3600
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,120
green says something else he said you

3601
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:41,439
know it's it's natural causes you don't

3602
02:19:45,830 --> 02:19:43,760
need you don't need anything

3603
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:45,840
well yeah i mean i think that kit admits

3604
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,120
that that would have been highly

3605
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:49,200
irregular but that's also not

3606
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:51,760
necessarily what happened because

3607
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:54,240
there's differing stories about how pat

3608
02:20:00,070 --> 02:19:56,560
price died russell remembers seeing pat

3609
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:00,080
price in in a coffin you know um and so

3610
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:02,160
it's it's which which story do you

3611
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:03,920
believe and what does it mean that

3612
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:06,160
there's an incongruity there you know um

3613
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:07,920
if you ask some of the remote viewers

3614
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:09,520
from the army program

3615
02:20:13,349 --> 02:20:11,439
um you know just for fun years later

3616
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,359
they they actually

3617
02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:15,600
remote viewed pat price in an envelope

3618
02:20:18,790 --> 02:20:17,200
you know just the name and they came up

3619
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:18,800
with a guy working in an underground

3620
02:20:28,309 --> 02:20:25,510
that's interesting

3621
02:20:30,389 --> 02:20:28,319
and

3622
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:30,399
he he had so much talent

3623
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,200
and

3624
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:34,160
uh i you're right he considered himself

3625
02:20:38,630 --> 02:20:36,800
a patriot and then we have

3626
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:38,640
ingo swan

3627
02:20:42,950 --> 02:20:41,439
and i had asked russell i don't know if

3628
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:42,960
you heard uh

3629
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:45,600
my conversation with russell earlier no

3630
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:47,680
i missed it unfortunately okay well i'm

3631
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:49,680
gonna lay the same thing out here for

3632
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:50,640
you

3633
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:51,840
ingo

3634
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:53,439
was very

3635
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:56,720
confident in his abilities

3636
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:59,200
and to the point where there was nothing

3637
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:01,359
that he couldn't do and he wanted to

3638
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:03,359
make that very clear

3639
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:06,160
was he really that strong was his was

3640
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:10,880
his ego a part of uh what he was doing

3641
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:13,600
um you know i i think i got a really

3642
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:16,720
good idea of ango from

3643
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:18,560
so many people who knew him you know i

3644
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:20,080
introdu i talked to so many people who

3645
02:21:24,710 --> 02:21:22,000
really loved this guy and and really

3646
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:24,720
knew him very well and in his his ego

3647
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:27,760
his ambition was just part of who he was

3648
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:29,840
and i think that his confidence is part

3649
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:32,800
of what made him such a revolutionary

3650
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:35,600
psychic you know he he was a renowned

3651
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:37,439
artist i mean you know he he had a

3652
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:39,359
painting in the smithsonian i mean i

3653
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:41,680
mean this guy it was was the real deal

3654
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:44,399
in many many ways um but he but he was

3655
02:21:49,990 --> 02:21:47,280
very ambitious and and i think that he

3656
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:50,000
also was incredibly smart he was um as

3657
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:52,479
much of a researcher and a scientist as

3658
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:54,560
the scientists i mean he wanted to know

3659
02:21:58,469 --> 02:21:57,040
the validity of this he wanted to know

3660
02:22:01,830 --> 02:21:58,479
the reality of it whether it was for

3661
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,840
good or for ill and and

3662
02:22:05,750 --> 02:22:03,520
you know he sort of structured the

3663
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,760
entire army program for the army he came

3664
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:07,680
in and sort of created all these

3665
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:09,920
protocols for these army remote viewers

3666
02:22:12,309 --> 02:22:11,040
that sort of became a point of

3667
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:12,319
contention between i think him and

3668
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:13,439
russell

3669
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:15,120
and it led to sort of a falling out

3670
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:17,280
between them because russell believed

3671
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:19,359
that remote viewing should be very easy

3672
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:22,640
for people to do i think ingo understood

3673
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:25,359
that the army was very regimented and

3674
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:28,720
disciplined and they needed to have um

3675
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:31,280
sort of like a system to do remote

3676
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:33,200
viewing and a code book to look at and

3677
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:35,439
you know stuff to do and so he created a

3678
02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:37,600
very specific formula for doing remote

3679
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:40,160
viewing in the army but but um you know

3680
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,000
he was just an ambitious guy and i don't

3681
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:44,160
know i mean there was a definite

3682
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:44,960
um

3683
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:47,680
sort of rivalry between ingo and pat

3684
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:48,880
because i think that ingo sort of

3685
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:50,640
resented that pat got a lot of attention

3686
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:52,000
from the cia

3687
02:22:56,550 --> 02:22:54,319
and and uh it made him work even harder

3688
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:56,560
on the army and and and other things to

3689
02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:59,359
sort of solidify his position i believe

3690
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:01,920
there's uh and i want to thank you uh

3691
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:03,920
for this conversation tonight and and

3692
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:06,160
the movie but before we run out of time

3693
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:08,160
i wanted to get the thank you and if we

3694
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:09,600
do run out of time

3695
02:23:14,710 --> 02:23:12,080
is that uh

3696
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:14,720
nothing is safe anymore if the russians

3697
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:17,040
are working on this then they can look

3698
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:20,240
at us also remote viewers could spy on

3699
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:23,200
other remote viewers which is a a pretty

3700
02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:26,160
frightening thought and then uri geller

3701
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:28,640
comes into the picture too as well

3702
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:30,080
and

3703
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,120
well i would assume that he does

3704
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:39,280
and and now both for cia and the

3705
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:41,200
israelites that's right and now it's

3706
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,720
it's like bringing the wolf into the

3707
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:44,399
hen's house right

3708
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:47,280
um yeah it depends on on your thought on

3709
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,399
on mossad i guess but but it's it's um

3710
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:52,880
you know uri is a very fascinating

3711
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:55,439
person and uh you know and very

3712
02:24:00,070 --> 02:23:58,000
incontroversial you know and and i think

3713
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:00,080
that part of that controversy is what he

3714
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:02,240
really likes because it keeps him in the

3715
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:03,920
realm of a magician and not into the

3716
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:06,399
realm of of sort of a psychic spy but if

3717
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:07,760
you really ask him or if you read his

3718
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:09,439
book i mean you know he's he'll tell you

3719
02:24:15,670 --> 02:24:12,240
he's done all sorts of things

3720
02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:15,680
well yeah including the oil industry and

3721
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:17,680
and made him very rich

3722
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:19,120
yeah that's what he claims he claims

3723
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:20,880
that he can douse for oil i mean i know

3724
02:24:24,790 --> 02:24:22,720
for a fact that joe mcmonagle does very

3725
02:24:26,389 --> 02:24:24,800
well doing um you know prospecting and

3726
02:24:28,230 --> 02:24:26,399
that kind of a thing uh you know that's

3727
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:28,240
just one of the things that you can do

3728
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:30,000
with remote viewing you know but i want

3729
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:31,920
to be clear remote viewing is not a

3730
02:24:36,150 --> 02:24:34,319
catch-all it's not the perfect solution

3731
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:36,160
to the intelligence agencies it didn't

3732
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:38,800
work 100 of the time and the information

3733
02:24:42,710 --> 02:24:41,200
often has a lot of noise in it and in

3734
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:42,720
fact one of the counter measures that

3735
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:45,120
they came up with is that you can

3736
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:48,160
corrupt remote viewing data simply by

3737
02:24:52,309 --> 02:24:50,240
focusing a lot of junk at the same thing

3738
02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:52,319
that you're trying to hide you know like

3739
02:24:56,230 --> 02:24:54,000
skip outward told a story about going

3740
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:56,240
around and posting up um you know

3741
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:57,760
birthday balloons and mickey mouse

3742
02:25:01,590 --> 02:24:59,680
posters in a missile silo to hide it

3743
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:01,600
from russian remote viewers

3744
02:25:05,030 --> 02:25:03,680
and what would that do yeah exactly what

3745
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:05,040
would that do

3746
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:07,439
it would create so much noise that the

3747
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:09,520
um that the tasker would probably throw

3748
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:11,439
all of the data out because because they

3749
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:12,720
would say oh well i'm seeing a birthday

3750
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:14,560
party with mickey mouse but i'm also

3751
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:16,880
seeing a new class of nuclear missile

3752
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:18,800
and and i think that the confusion was

3753
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:20,960
designed to sort of screw things up you

3754
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:23,840
can also take a remote viewer's

3755
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:25,439
you know target data like if you just

3756
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:27,600
have a signifying number and if you

3757
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:29,920
screw with that then um if all of a

3758
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,680
sudden somebody starts concentrating on

3759
02:25:34,150 --> 02:25:32,800
uh you know

3760
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:34,160
a volcano

3761
02:25:37,670 --> 02:25:36,000
and then the target is supposed to be a

3762
02:25:39,190 --> 02:25:37,680
bunker you know and then all of a sudden

3763
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:39,200
the remote viewers you know because it's

3764
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:41,439
an imaginal skill you know it's not it's

3765
02:25:44,389 --> 02:25:42,640
not something that is concrete and i

3766
02:25:46,389 --> 02:25:44,399
think that's why science hasn't been

3767
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:46,399
able to really wrap their head around

3768
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:48,080
this kind of thing in a mainstream way

3769
02:25:52,950 --> 02:25:50,240
because it doesn't work the same way

3770
02:25:54,710 --> 02:25:52,960
every time it's not that reliable

3771
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:54,720
you mentioned really quick i wanted to

3772
02:26:01,270 --> 02:25:57,600
get back to this we have a two minutes

3773
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:01,280
uh you mentioned uh the ufo aspect with

3774
02:26:05,750 --> 02:26:03,600
remote viewing and that would be you

3775
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:05,760
know part two to third eye spies how

3776
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:07,840
would you approach that

3777
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:10,240
um because consciousness is primary like

3778
02:26:14,469 --> 02:26:13,040
max planck said you know um it's like if

3779
02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:14,479
your consciousness goes anywhere then

3780
02:26:18,230 --> 02:26:16,240
it's just as easy to see

3781
02:26:19,910 --> 02:26:18,240
the inner workings of a ufo as it is to

3782
02:26:22,469 --> 02:26:19,920
see what's happening in your studio

3783
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:22,479
right now and and i think that that that

3784
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:24,319
is a fascinating subject it's probably

3785
02:26:27,590 --> 02:26:25,439
something that

3786
02:26:30,870 --> 02:26:27,600
um has been useful to intelligence

3787
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:30,880
agencies as well um but why not have fun

3788
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:33,359
with it and and uh you know play around

3789
02:26:37,510 --> 02:26:35,280
with that subject because i think that

3790
02:26:40,630 --> 02:26:37,520
we're really looking in the wrong place

3791
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:40,640
when we look at uh contact or disclosure

3792
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:42,399
we're thinking of it as this far away

3793
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:44,720
thing that that other people have to

3794
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:46,880
make possible for us i don't believe

3795
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:48,720
that anymore not after making this film

3796
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:50,000
i believe that

3797
02:26:54,469 --> 02:26:52,160
radio telescopes are a waste of time i

3798
02:26:56,309 --> 02:26:54,479
believe that et has probably been

3799
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:56,319
phoning you constantly and you're just

3800
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:57,600
not picking up the phone because we

3801
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:59,120
don't understand

3802
02:27:03,349 --> 02:27:01,520
how important the missing link is which

3803
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is our own consciousness all right stay

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right there we're going to do some

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overtime i'm not ready to end this lance

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okay that's it that's it you you're

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stuck let's take a good

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right let's take a break right here our

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guest tonight lance mongeau we're

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talking about his film third eye spies

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and if he's gonna leave me with that

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kind of cliffhanger then that's it we're

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3917
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tonight is lance mungia talking about uh

3918
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his new film that he just directed it's

3919
02:32:51,590 --> 02:32:48,640
a documentary called third eye spies

3920
02:32:54,389 --> 02:32:51,600
and when we bring in lance the

3921
02:32:56,630 --> 02:32:54,399
ufo aspect to this

3922
02:33:00,070 --> 02:32:56,640
look we have one thing where we're

3923
02:33:00,950 --> 02:33:00,080
dealing with tangible uh stuff here on

3924
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:00,960
earth

3925
02:33:04,870 --> 02:33:03,760
russia china across the united states

3926
02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:04,880
langley

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02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:05,760
yeah

3928
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:09,359
an overpass in san francisco okay and we

3929
02:33:12,710 --> 02:33:11,920
can prove yeah that's that's all simple

3930
02:33:14,710 --> 02:33:12,720
now

3931
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:14,720
and we're getting people to accept

3932
02:33:18,710 --> 02:33:17,520
remote viewing we bring this stuff over

3933
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:18,720
into

3934
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:21,520
the ufo world are we going to scare some

3935
02:33:25,349 --> 02:33:23,040
people off i mean

3936
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:25,359
where where can we take this

3937
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:26,800
well i don't think you're going to scare

3938
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:28,240
people off any more than they've already

3939
02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:30,240
been scared off when they see a ufo in

3940
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:32,000
the sky i mean i think that the issue

3941
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:33,840
with that is that nobody understands

3942
02:33:38,230 --> 02:33:35,600
what they're looking at you cannot

3943
02:33:41,429 --> 02:33:38,240
scientifically pin down exactly what a

3944
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:41,439
ufo is but you can look at thousands and

3945
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:44,160
thousands of testimonials from

3946
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:46,160
experiencers who claim to have had some

3947
02:33:50,070 --> 02:33:48,880
sort of a psychic contact or telepathic

3948
02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:50,080
interaction

3949
02:33:53,670 --> 02:33:52,240
or whatever which would just anecdotally

3950
02:33:55,590 --> 02:33:53,680
suggest that

3951
02:33:58,230 --> 02:33:55,600
that somehow extraterrestrial cultures

3952
02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:58,240
are using something like esp to

3953
02:34:02,150 --> 02:34:00,560
communicate and and if this is and if

3954
02:34:04,070 --> 02:34:02,160
we're gonna we have to extrapolate out

3955
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:04,080
from what we already know what do you

3956
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:07,280
know have you had a ufo experience

3957
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:09,680
um i've had a few actually you know i

3958
02:34:15,670 --> 02:34:12,880
mean i've gone out on uh ufo summoning

3959
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:15,680
groups uh for um you know potentially

3960
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:17,840
doing some film projects and and i've

3961
02:34:22,070 --> 02:34:21,040
seen phenomenon um and i had a story i

3962
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:22,080
don't know how much time we have to

3963
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:23,439
actually let me tell this story but i

3964
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:25,120
have an amazing story from

3965
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:27,520
uh when i was much much younger which

3966
02:34:31,910 --> 02:34:30,160
you know to me suggests a ufo or just a

3967
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,920
plain old miracle

3968
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:34,000
in that like there was a time when i was

3969
02:34:37,750 --> 02:34:35,760
really in a very bad place in my life i

3970
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:37,760
had just broken up with a girlfriend i

3971
02:34:41,910 --> 02:34:40,000
was driving my camaro which was very

3972
02:34:43,910 --> 02:34:41,920
lowered and very tinted

3973
02:34:46,710 --> 02:34:43,920
on an icy road in the middle of the

3974
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:46,720
night in the fog and i changed lanes too

3975
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:49,439
fast the car spun at probably i want to

3976
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:52,800
say like 80 miles an hour and the car

3977
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:53,840
literally

3978
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:55,920
i was pinned to the side of the car

3979
02:35:03,750 --> 02:34:56,960
i

3980
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:03,760
and the car

3981
02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:06,800
sort of just slowly stopped spinning and

3982
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:08,720
kind of like barely touched the center

3983
02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:11,520
divider of the freeway and parked itself

3984
02:35:16,389 --> 02:35:13,200
and that to me

3985
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:16,399
alone was a miracle right but

3986
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:18,479
then something in you know sort of like

3987
02:35:23,670 --> 02:35:21,600
just an internal voice said to me

3988
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:23,680
the car is about to fly

3989
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:27,359
and i'm like what and i blacked out

3990
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:29,359
and and that's all i remember but when i

3991
02:35:34,630 --> 02:35:31,680
woke up i'm staring at the headliner of

3992
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:34,640
the car i'm looking at like my bottle of

3993
02:35:38,790 --> 02:35:36,240
water which was open still in the center

3994
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:38,800
console i get out of the car and i'm

3995
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:42,240
probably 200 or so feet up uh maybe a

3996
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:44,800
thousand you know yards away from the

3997
02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:46,800
freeway on a hill

3998
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:48,560
and i have absolutely no idea how i got

3999
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:50,640
there wait a minute hold on a minute

4000
02:35:54,950 --> 02:35:51,760
hold on

4001
02:35:57,750 --> 02:35:54,960
okay let's let's do a recap here

4002
02:36:00,550 --> 02:35:57,760
you spin out your car

4003
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:00,560
on ice at 80 miles an hour

4004
02:36:06,710 --> 02:36:04,080
it it ends up in the emergency lane next

4005
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:06,720
to the center divider right you black

4006
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:08,880
out you come to

4007
02:36:13,190 --> 02:36:12,240
and now your car is on top of a hill

4008
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:13,200
that's right

4009
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:16,319
on on a on in a lowered camaro with no

4010
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:17,439
dirt road

4011
02:36:22,150 --> 02:36:20,000
no real visible access of to how i

4012
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:22,160
possibly could have gotten up there but

4013
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:23,359
that's where my car is and i can't

4014
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:25,520
explain it okay so how did you get up

4015
02:36:27,590 --> 02:36:26,800
there

4016
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:27,600
um

4017
02:36:31,830 --> 02:36:29,600
i don't know but but i will tell you

4018
02:36:34,230 --> 02:36:31,840
this that that years later i was

4019
02:36:35,910 --> 02:36:34,240
watching a documentary on on ufo

4020
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:35,920
testimony and somebody started talking

4021
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:37,760
about dilated time

4022
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:39,120
and they started talking about how like

4023
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:40,800
when you have a ufo encounter time just

4024
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:43,040
gets really wacky and and that was one

4025
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,720
of the things that i was experiencing

4026
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:46,240
heavily before this happened it's one of

4027
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:48,240
the reasons i actually spun out in the

4028
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:50,000
first place was because i just felt like

4029
02:36:53,750 --> 02:36:51,920
i had been going so slowly that time was

4030
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:53,760
just taking me forever to get down the

4031
02:36:57,750 --> 02:36:56,319
road and and uh i found that to be a

4032
02:36:59,750 --> 02:36:57,760
hallmark of this kind of thing i've

4033
02:37:02,309 --> 02:36:59,760
never done a hypnotic regression about

4034
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:02,319
it but it was the most perplexing thing

4035
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,640
i had ever experienced because in the

4036
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:06,960
process of a tow truck dragging my car

4037
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:08,880
down this hill it ruined the

4038
02:37:12,710 --> 02:37:10,560
undercarriage i mean it was like not an

4039
02:37:14,469 --> 02:37:12,720
easy thing to get off and i have no idea

4040
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:14,479
how i got there

4041
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:17,439
one would say that you made up the story

4042
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:18,399
because

4043
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:21,439
you drove up the hill and got stuck

4044
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:23,680
yeah right say that right but it was a

4045
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:25,760
steep hill and it was it was the middle

4046
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:28,160
of the night and and i blacked out so i

4047
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:29,680
mean yeah sure you could say i made it

4048
02:37:32,230 --> 02:37:31,040
up but you know i don't actually this is

4049
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,240
one of the first times i've ever shared

4050
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:34,560
i've ever shared this because it's it's

4051
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:36,240
uh something that was really miraculous

4052
02:37:41,510 --> 02:37:38,000
to me that sort of just puzzled me for

4053
02:37:43,830 --> 02:37:41,520
years and i and i can't figure it out

4054
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:43,840
okay what do you think happened

4055
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:46,080
are you suggesting well i don't even

4056
02:37:50,389 --> 02:37:48,000
want to suggest i don't want to uh i

4057
02:37:52,710 --> 02:37:50,399
don't want to contaminate the story well

4058
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:52,720
what is it that you think happened

4059
02:37:57,110 --> 02:37:54,960
well i think that a lot of people you

4060
02:37:58,550 --> 02:37:57,120
know have blackouts and then you know

4061
02:37:59,830 --> 02:37:58,560
stop being at one place and be it

4062
02:38:02,150 --> 02:37:59,840
another that's that's the one thing that

4063
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:02,160
i actually do know yes i could have

4064
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:03,920
blacked out hit the gas or something and

4065
02:38:08,389 --> 02:38:05,920
then wound up on a hill but i was parked

4066
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:08,399
on a clearing with the engine off you

4067
02:38:13,910 --> 02:38:11,120
know and and so i don't understand how

4068
02:38:15,510 --> 02:38:13,920
that happened and if nothing else it's a

4069
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:15,520
miracle i mean i wasn't like a highly

4070
02:38:20,230 --> 02:38:18,240
spiritual person but um you know me

4071
02:38:22,070 --> 02:38:20,240
being in the center divider of a freeway

4072
02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:22,080
in the middle of the night um i could

4073
02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:23,840
have been easily hit it was foggy you

4074
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:25,280
know it was on the grapevine it was very

4075
02:38:32,309 --> 02:38:29,760
very um dark um so i i don't know how to

4076
02:38:34,630 --> 02:38:32,319
explain it um other than you know i

4077
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,640
don't know i mean was there a spiritual

4078
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:36,720
force that intervened maybe you know was

4079
02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:39,280
it just all in my imagination i guess it

4080
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:41,280
could have been but i don't think so you

4081
02:38:45,510 --> 02:38:44,000
know because it was just so bizarre and

4082
02:38:47,429 --> 02:38:45,520
and that entire evening frankly was just

4083
02:38:48,710 --> 02:38:47,439
so bizarre and it just really is

4084
02:38:51,270 --> 02:38:48,720
something that haunted me for years i

4085
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:51,280
mean it may be relevant maybe not but

4086
02:38:54,870 --> 02:38:53,120
uh it definitely opened my mind up a

4087
02:38:56,469 --> 02:38:54,880
little bit to sort of

4088
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:56,479
the impossibility sort of becoming a

4089
02:39:01,910 --> 02:38:59,120
little more possible well okay now why

4090
02:39:02,950 --> 02:39:01,920
not remote view this

4091
02:39:05,190 --> 02:39:02,960
you know i've actually thought about

4092
02:39:07,030 --> 02:39:05,200
doing like a hypnotic regression uh or

4093
02:39:08,230 --> 02:39:07,040
something like that and

4094
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:08,240
something just kind of told me for a

4095
02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:09,760
number of years just don't don't mess

4096
02:39:12,710 --> 02:39:11,520
with it um i mean i've had plenty of

4097
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:12,720
other sort of

4098
02:39:16,630 --> 02:39:14,560
you know i meditate and i've had plenty

4099
02:39:18,630 --> 02:39:16,640
of other sort of psychic encounters and

4100
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:18,640
um you know potential et encounters just

4101
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:19,920
through the dream state and things like

4102
02:39:24,309 --> 02:39:22,560
that but that's all just speculative

4103
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:24,319
because you don't know if it's real or

4104
02:39:27,910 --> 02:39:25,840
not and that's sort of the problem with

4105
02:39:29,750 --> 02:39:27,920
this entire subject is that you know

4106
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:29,760
there's always very little

4107
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:32,000
real evidence and it sort of comes down

4108
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:33,760
to personal interpretation and personal

4109
02:39:37,670 --> 02:39:35,600
experience and that was my personal

4110
02:39:39,429 --> 02:39:37,680
experience and i think that it was a

4111
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:39,439
pretty amazing thing that i wasn't

4112
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:41,359
killed and and it's completely

4113
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:42,880
inexplicable you know everything else

4114
02:39:47,030 --> 02:39:44,800
that happened that night well

4115
02:39:48,630 --> 02:39:47,040
visions of uh giorgio soucolos are

4116
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:48,640
popping into my head

4117
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:51,200
i'm not saying it was aliens

4118
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:54,160
but it was aliens

4119
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:55,760
yeah i mean it could have been i mean

4120
02:39:59,429 --> 02:39:57,200
you know there's there's there's a

4121
02:40:02,150 --> 02:39:59,439
there's plenty of stories like that

4122
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:02,160
uh where you know but but i until i know

4123
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:04,399
i don't i'm not 100 sure but it's

4124
02:40:08,950 --> 02:40:06,399
certainly matched up with i think a lot

4125
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:08,960
of other people's stories and i've

4126
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:10,000
you know it's sort of something that's

4127
02:40:13,510 --> 02:40:11,280
just kind of bothered me for years i

4128
02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:13,520
don't know is there uh you mentioned

4129
02:40:18,790 --> 02:40:15,520
disclosure uh

4130
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:18,800
uh before the break is there

4131
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:21,600
is there a reason to take the precog

4132
02:40:27,270 --> 02:40:25,840
side of uh remote viewing and

4133
02:40:30,070 --> 02:40:27,280
use that

4134
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:30,080
and look into the future to see what the

4135
02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:32,160
possibilities are oh they're doing it

4136
02:40:37,429 --> 02:40:34,960
all the time um you know um three days

4137
02:40:40,870 --> 02:40:37,439
before uh dozier general dozier was

4138
02:40:43,030 --> 02:40:40,880
kidnapped in the um 80s uh in in verona

4139
02:40:44,630 --> 02:40:43,040
by a terrorist group and um

4140
02:40:47,030 --> 02:40:44,640
i just recently found a document from

4141
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:47,040
sri saying that

4142
02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:50,000
on like december 15th of that year uh

4143
02:40:53,510 --> 02:40:52,080
sri was tasked just to simply see is

4144
02:40:55,990 --> 02:40:53,520
there anything coming up in the next

4145
02:40:57,429 --> 02:40:56,000
week that we need to be aware of and

4146
02:40:58,790 --> 02:40:57,439
they came back and said somebody high

4147
02:41:01,349 --> 02:40:58,800
ranking at the pentagon will be

4148
02:41:03,910 --> 02:41:01,359
kidnapped uh on the evening of december

4149
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:03,920
15th and sure enough on the evening of

4150
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,399
december or sorry december 17th and sure

4151
02:41:10,309 --> 02:41:08,319
enough on the 17th this guy was

4152
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:10,319
kidnapped so it is definitely possible

4153
02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:13,600
to use for precognition but um it also

4154
02:41:16,870 --> 02:41:15,439
is not as reliable

4155
02:41:18,070 --> 02:41:16,880
probably because we're looking at

4156
02:41:19,670 --> 02:41:18,080
different

4157
02:41:20,710 --> 02:41:19,680
timelines i think i mean i think that

4158
02:41:22,070 --> 02:41:20,720
you know you see it all the time with

4159
02:41:23,429 --> 02:41:22,080
associative remote viewing where they

4160
02:41:25,270 --> 02:41:23,439
try to do these gambling experiments

4161
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:25,280
which i did a really cool extra that's

4162
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:26,640
on the youtube channel you can check out

4163
02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:27,920
about this

4164
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:28,960
they'll look at two different

4165
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,960
photographs and say okay we're going to

4166
02:41:33,510 --> 02:41:32,160
try to predict

4167
02:41:35,270 --> 02:41:33,520
an over under

4168
02:41:36,790 --> 02:41:35,280
you know sporting bet you know like is

4169
02:41:38,790 --> 02:41:36,800
the total score going to be this or

4170
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:38,800
under that and

4171
02:41:42,230 --> 02:41:40,560
time and again they'll get it right they

4172
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:42,240
have a very good hit rate but every now

4173
02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:43,439
and then they'll get a perfect

4174
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:45,920
description of the wrong outcome and

4175
02:41:49,510 --> 02:41:47,680
keep in mind the viewers are never shown

4176
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:49,520
the wrong outcome so it's almost as if

4177
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:51,120
they're viewing the wrong

4178
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:52,800
timeline or something what do you mean a

4179
02:41:56,950 --> 02:41:55,680
perfect description of the wrong outcome

4180
02:41:59,429 --> 02:41:56,960
how can you have a

4181
02:42:01,590 --> 02:41:59,439
okay so so let's say you have

4182
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:01,600
uh a picture of a volcano and that's

4183
02:42:05,510 --> 02:42:03,680
going to just for simplification that's

4184
02:42:07,830 --> 02:42:05,520
going to represent the winning side and

4185
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:07,840
a picture of a buddhist temple and

4186
02:42:12,550 --> 02:42:09,040
that's going to

4187
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:12,560
represent the losing side you know and

4188
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,399
sometimes you will get a remote viewer

4189
02:42:19,349 --> 02:42:16,399
that draws a really great picture of a

4190
02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:19,359
volcano even though in 30 minutes the

4191
02:42:22,389 --> 02:42:20,800
picture that's going to be shown to this

4192
02:42:24,150 --> 02:42:22,399
group of gamblers they go down and place

4193
02:42:26,790 --> 02:42:24,160
their bet

4194
02:42:28,389 --> 02:42:26,800
is actually the um the temple you know

4195
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:28,399
it's it's the wrong answer and that's

4196
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:30,479
really the kind of mcguffin when it

4197
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:32,080
comes to predicting the future is that

4198
02:42:35,830 --> 02:42:34,240
sometimes you're actually looking maybe

4199
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:35,840
at the wrong future

4200
02:42:39,190 --> 02:42:37,359
you know because i think that again when

4201
02:42:41,110 --> 02:42:39,200
consciousness comes into play

4202
02:42:43,030 --> 02:42:41,120
we have a say into where the

4203
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:43,040
probabilities are going to go

4204
02:42:46,630 --> 02:42:44,479
and and sometimes even the act of

4205
02:42:49,429 --> 02:42:46,640
observing can screw that up

4206
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:49,439
why um and i know that a lot of remote

4207
02:42:54,150 --> 02:42:52,479
viewers or some are very successful with

4208
02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:54,160
you know the stock market and these

4209
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:55,520
kinds of things

4210
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:57,920
but the the skeptic will always come

4211
02:43:02,550 --> 02:42:59,439
back with

4212
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:02,560
where's my lottery numbers where is the

4213
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:06,080
winner of the world series um next year

4214
02:43:11,429 --> 02:43:08,399
right before the season starts

4215
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:11,439
right where is that kind of stuff

4216
02:43:15,190 --> 02:43:14,000
well you know um james spanishwood did a

4217
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:15,200
really great experiment trying to

4218
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:16,800
predict the lottery numbers with joe

4219
02:43:19,830 --> 02:43:18,720
mcmonagle and a bunch of other people

4220
02:43:21,750 --> 02:43:19,840
and um

4221
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:21,760
my understanding was very very difficult

4222
02:43:25,429 --> 02:43:23,840
to do the way they did it and they they

4223
02:43:27,910 --> 02:43:25,439
pretty much did it and i don't remember

4224
02:43:29,270 --> 02:43:27,920
the full story but i know that they um

4225
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:29,280
they didn't completely get all of the

4226
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:31,200
numbers right and i think that it's not

4227
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:32,160
that

4228
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:34,479
logical of a skill

4229
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:36,080
where you can literally i mean i mean

4230
02:43:39,830 --> 02:43:38,000
just name all of the winning lotto

4231
02:43:42,550 --> 02:43:39,840
numbers because that requires a very

4232
02:43:44,309 --> 02:43:42,560
analytical part of your brain and and i

4233
02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:44,319
don't think that we're dealing with

4234
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:45,439
logical

4235
02:43:48,550 --> 02:43:46,960
analytical parts of the brain and that's

4236
02:43:50,950 --> 02:43:48,560
a much rarer

4237
02:43:53,030 --> 02:43:50,960
ability that's why it's so hard for a

4238
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:53,040
remote viewer to actually read and then

4239
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:55,840
why pat price was so special at it well

4240
02:43:59,030 --> 02:43:58,160
the my experience

4241
02:44:01,750 --> 02:43:59,040
uh

4242
02:44:03,110 --> 02:44:01,760
very early on with remote viewing

4243
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:03,120
involved

4244
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:06,399
uh me personally with the malibu

4245
02:44:12,309 --> 02:44:08,080
underwater base

4246
02:44:13,910 --> 02:44:12,319
and we had published an article that you

4247
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:13,920
know everybody knows what happened after

4248
02:44:18,710 --> 02:44:16,240
that and that you know published

4249
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:18,720
some very specific images from google

4250
02:44:23,670 --> 02:44:22,399
earth that had jimmychurchradio.com

4251
02:44:24,790 --> 02:44:23,680
on them

4252
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:24,800
and

4253
02:44:29,110 --> 02:44:27,279
this remote viewer viewer you may know

4254
02:44:32,710 --> 02:44:29,120
him his last name is reagan

4255
02:44:36,630 --> 02:44:32,720
um and i just happened to

4256
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:36,640
come across uh a video of him doing this

4257
02:44:40,950 --> 02:44:38,240
viewing session

4258
02:44:43,429 --> 02:44:40,960
and about the malibu underwater base and

4259
02:44:45,670 --> 02:44:43,439
at the time uh

4260
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:45,680
i was like the second or third or fourth

4261
02:44:49,510 --> 02:44:48,399
person to have seen this video on on

4262
02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:49,520
youtube

4263
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:51,840
it was just by chance that i found it

4264
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:54,160
anyway so i go through the whole session

4265
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,800
and i don't know what's in the envelope

4266
02:45:02,710 --> 02:44:59,040
right and i'm watching him

4267
02:45:04,469 --> 02:45:02,720
you know draw and write and list

4268
02:45:06,790 --> 02:45:04,479
and and go through this at the end of

4269
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:06,800
the session and i was like wow okay

4270
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:09,040
that's that's pretty that's pretty close

4271
02:45:11,510 --> 02:45:09,840
here

4272
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:11,520
i didn't know that what was in the

4273
02:45:16,469 --> 02:45:13,040
envelope

4274
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:16,479
was one of my photographs oh wow right

4275
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:19,520
and so he opens up and it was obvious to

4276
02:45:23,670 --> 02:45:22,000
me uh what was going on

4277
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,680
he was pretty shocked who as well i

4278
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:25,439
eventually had him on the show to talk

4279
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:27,120
about this session

4280
02:45:32,230 --> 02:45:31,200
but it was pretty remarkable to see this

4281
02:45:35,110 --> 02:45:32,240
happen

4282
02:45:37,110 --> 02:45:35,120
but where i think it is real

4283
02:45:39,349 --> 02:45:37,120
is when we're talking about the physical

4284
02:45:41,190 --> 02:45:39,359
in the now now right he's got something

4285
02:45:44,389 --> 02:45:41,200
in the envelope that is a physical thing

4286
02:45:46,389 --> 02:45:44,399
here uh the universe is connected he

4287
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:46,399
connected with what was in that envelope

4288
02:45:51,670 --> 02:45:48,960
and that was very obvious it's another

4289
02:45:54,070 --> 02:45:51,680
thing when you pull precog in or when

4290
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:54,080
you're looking into the future and for a

4291
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:57,279
skeptic to say where are the you know

4292
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:59,439
lottery numbers where's the world series

4293
02:46:03,670 --> 02:46:01,200
you know uh uh

4294
02:46:04,950 --> 02:46:03,680
back to the future you know part two uh

4295
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:04,960
situation

4296
02:46:08,550 --> 02:46:05,840
um

4297
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:08,560
and that i don't think is uh

4298
02:46:11,830 --> 02:46:10,240
even though dean raiden will say the

4299
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:11,840
opposite i don't think that is a real

4300
02:46:16,230 --> 02:46:14,240
application for remote viewing as

4301
02:46:18,710 --> 02:46:16,240
opposed to the now now and the physical

4302
02:46:20,309 --> 02:46:18,720
of what is happening uh around the world

4303
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:20,319
i'll tell you when i go to a

4304
02:46:25,590 --> 02:46:22,640
parapsychology conferences i tend to see

4305
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:25,600
a lot of very small effects

4306
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:27,439
people doing very small experiments and

4307
02:46:31,510 --> 02:46:30,240
getting very small effect sizes and and

4308
02:46:33,750 --> 02:46:31,520
if you really want to know what the

4309
02:46:36,309 --> 02:46:33,760
secret of stanford research institute

4310
02:46:37,590 --> 02:46:36,319
and russell targ and hal put off was

4311
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:37,600
they were they were really kind of

4312
02:46:41,110 --> 02:46:39,600
showman um you know same thing with

4313
02:46:43,030 --> 02:46:41,120
stephen shorts i mean stephen schwartz

4314
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:43,040
is another great example in our film you

4315
02:46:48,309 --> 02:46:46,000
know he these people thought big

4316
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:48,319
and and unfortunately the way that it

4317
02:46:52,230 --> 02:46:50,080
seems that sort of this kind of thing

4318
02:46:54,070 --> 02:46:52,240
works is the the larger the thing you're

4319
02:46:57,190 --> 02:46:54,080
looking at the more difficult to see it

4320
02:46:59,429 --> 02:46:57,200
is the further away it is the easier it

4321
02:47:00,790 --> 02:46:59,439
is you know it's much harder to get a

4322
02:47:02,630 --> 02:47:00,800
really strong effect size when you're

4323
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:02,640
actually looking at say cards in an

4324
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:05,359
envelope right and i think it's because

4325
02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:07,120
your consciousness gets bored with it

4326
02:47:10,070 --> 02:47:08,720
you know it's like oh come on you know

4327
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:10,080
and also because you're there in the

4328
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:11,680
room and you're second guessing yourself

4329
02:47:16,150 --> 02:47:13,600
and this and that you know hella hammett

4330
02:47:18,230 --> 02:47:16,160
found the lost temple of alexandria in

4331
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:18,240
egypt with the egyptian government and

4332
02:47:23,590 --> 02:47:21,680
stephen schwartz um and she put a

4333
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:23,600
shirt her and another room of your name

4334
02:47:27,429 --> 02:47:24,800
george i'm sorry i don't remember his

4335
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:27,439
last name um put a stake down 12 inches

4336
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:28,800
from where he'd been buried for

4337
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:30,479
thousands of years

4338
02:47:34,950 --> 02:47:32,720
you know and how do you you can't

4339
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:34,960
explain that and that's a very big hard

4340
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:38,000
thing to do but yet that statistically

4341
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:39,760
the the the bigger and the larger the

4342
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:41,760
experiment that they would do the the

4343
02:47:45,590 --> 02:47:43,920
actually better the psychic did on it

4344
02:47:48,389 --> 02:47:45,600
rather than doing something that's very

4345
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:48,399
sort of easy to do and mundane in a in a

4346
02:47:51,269 --> 02:47:49,520
setting you know you'll still get a

4347
02:47:53,429 --> 02:47:51,279
result but you won't get as good a

4348
02:47:55,429 --> 02:47:53,439
result and and also you'll see a decline

4349
02:47:57,670 --> 02:47:55,439
effect where um if somebody tries to do

4350
02:47:59,190 --> 02:47:57,680
it four or five ten times uh they'll

4351
02:48:00,870 --> 02:47:59,200
probably get less and less of a good

4352
02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:00,880
result because your consciousness gets

4353
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:03,680
bored with it well and and and proving

4354
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:05,600
something here on earth

4355
02:48:10,230 --> 02:48:08,640
uh once it happens is easy like i just

4356
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:10,240
you know spoke about with the malibu

4357
02:48:14,950 --> 02:48:11,760
underwater base or

4358
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:14,960
or alexandria the the thing is when

4359
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:17,200
we're talking about the interior

4360
02:48:21,910 --> 02:48:19,760
of a ufo craft and you know my position

4361
02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:21,920
on ufos i know that they're real and i

4362
02:48:26,950 --> 02:48:23,680
know that they're here but if you're

4363
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:26,960
going to remote view the interior of

4364
02:48:32,550 --> 02:48:29,439
of a mother ship how do you prove the

4365
02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:32,560
interior of the mothership well you and

4366
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:35,120
i can't but i'll bet you how puddle can

4367
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:36,800
you know and and you know why because

4368
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:39,279
he's a physicist if if you it's not just

4369
02:48:43,429 --> 02:48:41,279
proving the interior it's proving the

4370
02:48:46,309 --> 02:48:43,439
dynamics of it it's proving the science

4371
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:46,319
of it it's it's you know um if a remote

4372
02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:47,520
viewer just writes out a bunch of

4373
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:51,680
gibberish um about a ufo but um

4374
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:53,200
in particular say how a propulsion

4375
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:56,399
system works okay well you know you and

4376
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:58,000
i aren't going to be able to know heads

4377
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,680
or tails of that but if you showed it to

4378
02:49:03,030 --> 02:49:01,359
an experienced physicist

4379
02:49:04,469 --> 02:49:03,040
and who knew something about the way

4380
02:49:06,870 --> 02:49:04,479
gravity works and the way other things

4381
02:49:08,950 --> 02:49:06,880
kind of work that might come into play

4382
02:49:10,150 --> 02:49:08,960
maybe to them it might be a missing link

4383
02:49:11,670 --> 02:49:10,160
and something that they're putting

4384
02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:11,680
together as a theory it would probably

4385
02:49:16,870 --> 02:49:14,399
take a very very smart person a way

4386
02:49:18,389 --> 02:49:16,880
above my pay grade you know to to figure

4387
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:18,399
out that kind of information and the

4388
02:49:21,830 --> 02:49:19,920
other way that you can sort of prove it

4389
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:21,840
is that you you don't just give it to

4390
02:49:25,830 --> 02:49:24,080
one person you know you you you on a

4391
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:25,840
double blind basis give it to several

4392
02:49:29,429 --> 02:49:27,600
different people and then you come back

4393
02:49:31,510 --> 02:49:29,439
with with information and and it is

4394
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:31,520
going to be incredibly hard

4395
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:33,200
uh to prove

4396
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:34,880
but if you're say an agency of the us

4397
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:36,560
government or somebody that has access

4398
02:49:40,790 --> 02:49:38,560
to a whole bunch of information that we

4399
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:40,800
don't know about maybe

4400
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,000
you know it's a little bit easier

4401
02:49:46,150 --> 02:49:44,000
because it can correlate with other data

4402
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:46,160
that you already have

4403
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:49,600
what what about uh another approach i

4404
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:51,760
don't know if you've considered this but

4405
02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:54,560
with some of the things that bob lazar

4406
02:50:01,590 --> 02:49:56,960
has talked about over the years

4407
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:01,600
um and and right pat and and roswell and

4408
02:50:06,469 --> 02:50:04,080
and alien bodies

4409
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:06,479
what about remote viewing

4410
02:50:12,150 --> 02:50:09,680
those uh you know the entrance to s4 you

4411
02:50:14,790 --> 02:50:12,160
know with bob lazar its location where

4412
02:50:17,830 --> 02:50:14,800
it really is what mountain range

4413
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:17,840
um what about those aspects well first

4414
02:50:23,030 --> 02:50:20,240
of all i don't think that that remote

4415
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:23,040
viewing is completely undefensible you

4416
02:50:26,550 --> 02:50:24,960
know i'm sure that you there there are

4417
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:26,560
counter measures that you can employ

4418
02:50:30,710 --> 02:50:28,560
that probably make some things a lot

4419
02:50:32,550 --> 02:50:30,720
easier to see um you could even you and

4420
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:32,560
i could create a whole narrative and

4421
02:50:35,910 --> 02:50:34,479
i've actually uh you know at least read

4422
02:50:38,150 --> 02:50:35,920
of accounts like this where let's say we

4423
02:50:39,750 --> 02:50:38,160
just decide what s4 is going to be and

4424
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,760
you and i come up with all of these

4425
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:41,520
elaborate details of what's going to be

4426
02:50:46,230 --> 02:50:44,319
inside s4 and and then we ask somebody

4427
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:46,240
to remote view it and and

4428
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:49,120
because our consciousness is attached to

4429
02:50:53,349 --> 02:50:51,840
this imaginary thing that we've created

4430
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:53,359
that actually could shape what the

4431
02:50:57,349 --> 02:50:55,279
remote viewer sees and instead of seeing

4432
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:57,359
the real thing they could be seeing what

4433
02:51:02,230 --> 02:51:00,000
you and i just created in our mind

4434
02:51:06,710 --> 02:51:02,240
so it's not a perfect thing when it

4435
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:06,720
comes to very unverifiable things but

4436
02:51:10,550 --> 02:51:08,160
then again you can also use remote

4437
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:10,560
viewing to say um talk about the motives

4438
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:13,680
of something you know to um you know

4439
02:51:17,910 --> 02:51:15,200
figure out details

4440
02:51:20,230 --> 02:51:17,920
of of sort of like what for instance a

4441
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:20,240
ufo craft is actually doing here and and

4442
02:51:24,150 --> 02:51:22,560
there's already a whole bunch of

4443
02:51:26,550 --> 02:51:24,160
information out there both sort of good

4444
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:26,560
and bad i think um and and you have to

4445
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:28,080
sort of be able to filter out the noise

4446
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:29,520
and that's very difficult i'm not saying

4447
02:51:33,990 --> 02:51:32,000
that it's an easy it's not an easy task

4448
02:51:35,510 --> 02:51:34,000
but but i do think that that you can

4449
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:35,520
come up with some really interesting

4450
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:38,160
data and i'm not trying to be a

4451
02:51:41,910 --> 02:51:40,160
scientist that that is going to publish

4452
02:51:43,269 --> 02:51:41,920
a paper i'm basically just sort of

4453
02:51:45,990 --> 02:51:43,279
interested in

4454
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:46,000
a lot of sort of these mysteries and um

4455
02:51:49,269 --> 02:51:47,520
knowing when you have credible people

4456
02:51:50,469 --> 02:51:49,279
that are doing credible things in other

4457
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:50,479
areas

4458
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:52,160
well it would make a lot more sense then

4459
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:53,520
that they would also be credible when it

4460
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:55,920
comes to something like et's

4461
02:52:02,710 --> 02:51:59,600
and you mentioned uh you know that uh

4462
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:02,720
like with seti or radar dishes you know

4463
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:04,399
it's it's almost

4464
02:52:08,469 --> 02:52:06,479
uh i forget the words that you use but

4465
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:08,479
they're primitive yeah it's primitive

4466
02:52:13,429 --> 02:52:10,479
they almost don't matter with with

4467
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:13,439
remote viewing with what we know now

4468
02:52:18,469 --> 02:52:15,680
about exoplanets and where these fast

4469
02:52:21,349 --> 02:52:18,479
radio bursts are starting to show up

4470
02:52:22,950 --> 02:52:21,359
uh in their locations

4471
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:22,960
why not or

4472
02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:24,560
do you think that there are some

4473
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:27,120
agencies now that are that are remote

4474
02:52:31,670 --> 02:52:30,160
viewing the possibilities of life on on

4475
02:52:34,469 --> 02:52:31,680
different planets you know outside of

4476
02:52:35,990 --> 02:52:34,479
our solar system you know i i saw a

4477
02:52:37,910 --> 02:52:36,000
video on youtube once and i don't know

4478
02:52:39,110 --> 02:52:37,920
how legitimate it is but but uh it was

4479
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:39,120
it was only there for a short time and

4480
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:41,120
it was actually taken down um it might

4481
02:52:44,230 --> 02:52:42,800
still be there somewhere but it was

4482
02:52:46,630 --> 02:52:44,240
someone else talking about a different

4483
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:46,640
program at sri which was specifically

4484
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:48,960
about reaching out to extraterrestrial

4485
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:50,960
intelligence using remote viewing

4486
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,720
and and um to me that made a lot of

4487
02:52:55,910 --> 02:52:54,319
sense because

4488
02:52:57,190 --> 02:52:55,920
again we have to kind of extrapolate out

4489
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:57,200
but let's say that the government is

4490
02:52:59,990 --> 02:52:58,720
taking remote viewing very seriously

4491
02:53:01,349 --> 02:53:00,000
right uh they're just not we just

4492
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:01,359
they're not admitting to it and let's

4493
02:53:05,590 --> 02:53:03,120
say also that they're taking the ufo

4494
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:05,600
subject very seriously okay so and and

4495
02:53:09,990 --> 02:53:07,120
we and we know that to be the case i

4496
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:10,000
mean come on and and so if both things

4497
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:11,120
are true

4498
02:53:15,429 --> 02:53:13,439
then why not employ one to look at the

4499
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:15,439
other because you can't understand the

4500
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:16,720
other it's beyond our sort of

4501
02:53:21,990 --> 02:53:19,680
capabilities technologically

4502
02:53:23,750 --> 02:53:22,000
so i think it makes sense that that the

4503
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:23,760
government might be using remote viewers

4504
02:53:28,070 --> 02:53:26,399
to sort of look out into space and you

4505
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:28,080
know from a more esoteric point of view

4506
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:29,920
i mean i can go to a channel or i can go

4507
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:31,359
you know read all kinds of esoteric

4508
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:33,279
tests texts going back hundreds and

4509
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:34,560
thousands of years

4510
02:53:38,630 --> 02:53:36,800
that talk about connecting to you know

4511
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:38,640
the spirit world to

4512
02:53:41,830 --> 02:53:39,760
other

4513
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:41,840
societies and things that don't exist

4514
02:53:46,230 --> 02:53:43,200
within the realm of reality of the

4515
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:46,240
person looking um that's that's part of

4516
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:47,920
this whole sort of world that we're sort

4517
02:53:51,990 --> 02:53:49,920
of talking about here but it can't be

4518
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:52,000
proven and and it's always existed

4519
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:53,920
within the realm of the mystics and sort

4520
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:56,000
of the wild haired you know shaman

4521
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:57,520
living out in the jungle doing this kind

4522
02:54:00,630 --> 02:53:59,359
of stuff but now

4523
02:54:02,950 --> 02:54:00,640
you do have

4524
02:54:04,469 --> 02:54:02,960
stuff like my documentary stuff that

4525
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:04,479
sort of talks about

4526
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:07,200
how successful you know the tools of

4527
02:54:10,469 --> 02:54:08,960
psychic ability have been used for so

4528
02:54:12,389 --> 02:54:10,479
then you just have to think about well

4529
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:12,399
what else can we use this for

4530
02:54:15,190 --> 02:54:13,200
yeah

4531
02:54:17,269 --> 02:54:15,200
well as a director and we've only got

4532
02:54:20,150 --> 02:54:17,279
two minutes left lance

4533
02:54:22,870 --> 02:54:20,160
as a director would you be interested in

4534
02:54:23,990 --> 02:54:22,880
in creating your own targets

4535
02:54:27,110 --> 02:54:24,000
and

4536
02:54:29,349 --> 02:54:27,120
documenting the process hit or miss

4537
02:54:30,870 --> 02:54:29,359
oh absolutely yeah absolutely i mean and

4538
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:30,880
that's that's something that that we are

4539
02:54:33,590 --> 02:54:32,479
working on now is is you know i'm

4540
02:54:35,510 --> 02:54:33,600
talking to some of the best remote

4541
02:54:38,309 --> 02:54:35,520
viewers about this kind of stuff and not

4542
02:54:39,830 --> 02:54:38,319
just with ufos but um i think that it's

4543
02:54:41,670 --> 02:54:39,840
a um

4544
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:41,680
to me it's just personally interesting i

4545
02:54:44,070 --> 02:54:42,720
mean i've had enough of my own

4546
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:44,080
experience that

4547
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:45,920
to know that the world is is there's a

4548
02:54:50,550 --> 02:54:48,080
lot of things we don't understand and if

4549
02:54:52,950 --> 02:54:50,560
we can use something like remote viewing

4550
02:54:54,070 --> 02:54:52,960
to better understand our world and maybe

4551
02:54:56,070 --> 02:54:54,080
why

4552
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:56,080
something like the ufo experience might

4553
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:57,520
be happening then i think that that's a

4554
02:55:02,630 --> 02:54:59,840
great use of this tool how is the

4555
02:55:05,269 --> 02:55:02,640
acceptance and uh

4556
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:05,279
the reviews about third eye spies how

4557
02:55:09,510 --> 02:55:06,880
how's that been going

4558
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:09,520
um overall really good but you also get

4559
02:55:14,230 --> 02:55:11,760
people who do not want to look at this

4560
02:55:15,670 --> 02:55:14,240
information and we'll just discard it

4561
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:15,680
out of hand whether they watch the film

4562
02:55:20,389 --> 02:55:18,399
or not you know um but overall i mean i

4563
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:20,399
think really good i mean you know the

4564
02:55:25,190 --> 02:55:22,640
movie has been in the top 10 on itunes

4565
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:25,200
now for over three weeks and um and a

4566
02:55:28,710 --> 02:55:26,319
lot of that time we've been in the top

4567
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:28,720
five and that doesn't mean that a whole

4568
02:55:32,230 --> 02:55:30,479
lot of people have seen this yet i think

4569
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:32,240
that you know i really want more people

4570
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:34,319
to see this through your your show

4571
02:55:37,910 --> 02:55:35,600
through some of the other things we're

4572
02:55:40,550 --> 02:55:37,920
doing to get the word out because

4573
02:55:43,030 --> 02:55:40,560
i do feel like the exposure to this

4574
02:55:44,630 --> 02:55:43,040
subject actually opens it up not just in

4575
02:55:45,670 --> 02:55:44,640
the scientific community but it actually

4576
02:55:46,710 --> 02:55:45,680
makes

4577
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:46,720
even

4578
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:48,880
psychic abilities more apparent and more

4579
02:55:53,510 --> 02:55:51,439
accessible to everybody because again

4580
02:55:55,510 --> 02:55:53,520
it's like the more you sort of focus on

4581
02:55:58,389 --> 02:55:55,520
something the the kind of easier it is

4582
02:56:00,309 --> 02:55:58,399
for people to not only understand it but

4583
02:56:01,590 --> 02:56:00,319
improve their own lives with it and i

4584
02:56:03,590 --> 02:56:01,600
think that's a worthy goal yeah

4585
02:56:06,950 --> 02:56:03,600
absolutely and

4586
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:06,960
what what's it like to have a company

4587
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:10,240
like the orchard uh that that is big and

4588
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:12,880
has the power to distribute

4589
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:16,160
uh a film like this uh but to have a

4590
02:56:20,469 --> 02:56:18,720
genuine interest in this does that make

4591
02:56:23,269 --> 02:56:20,479
it easier for you

4592
02:56:24,630 --> 02:56:23,279
um completely you know i have spent so

4593
02:56:25,910 --> 02:56:24,640
much of my film career and i've been

4594
02:56:27,269 --> 02:56:25,920
around actually a long time and i

4595
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:27,279
haven't made a film in a long time this

4596
02:56:31,190 --> 02:56:30,080
one took me years right now and and you

4597
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:31,200
know

4598
02:56:34,309 --> 02:56:32,560
um

4599
02:56:36,710 --> 02:56:34,319
being in the film industry is such a

4600
02:56:40,309 --> 02:56:36,720
crap game because you're you're just

4601
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:40,319
um constantly you know having to work to

4602
02:56:43,269 --> 02:56:42,160
what other people want to see within the

4603
02:56:44,870 --> 02:56:43,279
film industry and a lot of times they

4604
02:56:45,750 --> 02:56:44,880
don't even know what they want to see

4605
02:56:47,110 --> 02:56:45,760
and

4606
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:47,120
to have a company that i think really

4607
02:56:52,150 --> 02:56:49,359
believes in our film and believes in me

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as a filmmaker has been um

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probably the best experience i've ever

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had frankly as a creative artist in my

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life because for instance you know

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shortly before the film is going to be

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released i realized there were a few

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other things that i hadn't done that

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needed to be put into the film and i

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literally spent like eight days day and

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night uh you know finishing the edit and

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and uh polishing some things and making

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some things make more sense um and they

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they didn't even bat an eye they just

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said you know what we believe you and we

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believe in you as a filmmaker we believe

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in your film you know you do what you

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02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:21,120
got to do you know and and we'll put it

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out and so that is a very very cool

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refreshing you know relationship that i

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have you know um and i'm really grateful

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for that because i think it's going to

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allow me to make more films and continue

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to talk about stuff that i want to talk

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about and not worry so much about what

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other people want

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thank you so much lance great

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conversation and thank you for the

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overtime the film is third eye spies

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thirdeyespies.com

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the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com you can just click

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02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:50,560
but it is available for streaming right

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now on amazon and of course itunes lance

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thank you so much my friend great

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02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:58,160
conversation tonight jimmy uh always

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amazing talking to you dude

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seriously i really appreciate you

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02:58:04,790 --> 02:58:03,279
helping us get the word out about this i

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02:58:06,870 --> 02:58:04,800
appreciate your audience for for

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listening and for hopefully checking out

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02:58:12,630 --> 02:58:09,520
our film and and uh let's do it again

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02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:12,640
soon thank you yeah and the next remote

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session in monrovia

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02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:16,720
dude yes i'll talk to you lance have a

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02:58:22,670 --> 02:58:19,840
great night you too man lance moon jia

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again thirdeyespies.com

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02:58:29,030 --> 02:58:26,399
thirdeyespies.com it is an extraordinary

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02:58:30,469 --> 02:58:29,040
documentary and that is it's so highly

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02:58:33,190 --> 02:58:30,479
recommended

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tomorrow night right here rizz burke

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and rizz's new book my favorite subject

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the simulation hypothesis are we living

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in the matrix that's tomorrow night with

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rizverg

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resverk and don't forget fade to black's

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02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:49,040
executive producers rita marielle shows

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produced by hilton j palmer renee dennis

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and bob announcers are steve harter gene

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vettel and mark d kovar webmaster is

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game changer network i'm your host jimmy

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church until tomorrow night with rizvert

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right here i want everybody to be safe

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go backly tappy